Fine Gael’s ‘New Republic’
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Would you really want to live in Fine Gael’s ‘New Republic’?
According to the version leaked to the Irish Times, in this brave new world, the Senate will be abolished. The number of Dail deputies elected in the traditional way by PR-STV will be reduced to 146. But there will be the ultra-TD elite – a group of 15 elected via a list system from four regional constituencies, based on the existing European constituencies, bringing the total number to 161. The President’s term of office will be reduced from seven to five years, but emigrants living abroad for more than five years will have the right to vote in Presidential elections.
Four Dail Committees will have constitutional status – the Finance Committee, a new Budget Committee, a new Banking and Regulation Committee and an EU Affairs Committee. The ‘Abbeylara’ decision that prevents Oireachtas Committees operating in a quasi-judicial role will be reversed and the number of overall Dail Committees reduced from 19 to nine.
There’s something for everyone in the audience too: . “We believe that citizens must have a direct way, between elections, to make their concerns known. Our proposal will oblige the Dáil to consider a particular issue on receipt of a public petition that has the signatures of a minimum number of citizens, eg 10,000,” according to the Irish Times version of the document.
Problems have emerged within the FG parliamentary party about the Ultra-TDs, it is said. A proposal for female candidate quotas has already been thrown out following a revolt led by Lucinda Creighton at a meeting last week.
Publication of the leaked document’s main contents by the Irish Times, though, shores up the intent of the leadership. Within a year of taking office as Taoiseach, Enda Kenny will call a ‘Super-Referendum’ day to push through this “most ambitious programme for political reform since the 1930s”.
If he does, and that all depends on his becoming Taoiseach and preferably in a Fine Gael majority government, even at that he may fall flat on his face. If Taoiseach Enda Kenny is heading up a coalition involving the Labour Party, then he may well have to water down his ambitions to suit his government partners. After that, with whatever bits of his package survive a coalition scissors, he may not find the electorate quite so compliant as he would like them to be, especially not in a referendum that would involve voting through a number of complex and controversial reforms as one package.
The Senate is a disgrace, but that doesn’t mean that people will vote to abolish it completely. Fine Gael may be underestimating the political difficulties to which that particular proposal could give rise.
An elite group of 15 Ultra-TDs may not prove all that popular either.
Who would select the candidates for the list? Party apparatchiks and back-room boys? Why should people vote in favour of a drift towards a party centred system of political representation? And, as a seasoned political warrior put it at the weekend, who would be the real people’s representatives in the Dail, the 15 chosen by their party organizations or those ordinary TDs who’ve had to slog it out in the competitive arena of normal constituencies? Do we really want, or need, fifteen George Lees swanning around Leinster House convinced of their own superiority, a two tier TD system to match our two-tier health and every other two tier system we’re already suffering from?
The logic of reducing the term of Presidential office from seven to five years is also difficult to fathom. In practical terms it makes very little difference if our largely ceremonial President is in office for five or seven years, except that with a seven year term the office inevitably straddles the Oireachtas electoral cycle. Thus the President is a stabilizing force in our democracy and unless FG have a very good reason for changing it, it’s an institution that might well be left alone.
While there is definitely a case for abolishing several of the existing Oireachtas Committees, given the regular carry-on at some meetings and the florid displays of political partisanship, any case for giving constitutional status to four of them should make for interesting reading.
The Petitions proposal is presumably designed to convey the notion of public participation in the parliamentary process, bringing the Dail closer to the people and all that jazz. Yet is creates an uneasy feeling. As it is, within our political culture there is already plenty of opportunity for engagement with one’s public representatives. This petitions idea appears to have been borrowed from the 1m signatures Lisbon Treaty measure for the European Parliament Petitions’ Committee. The EU has 500 million citizens, the Irish electorate is about 2 million. What may (or may not) work on the larger scale could be disastrous on a much smaller scale. Do we really need the parliamentary equivalent of the Joe Duffy show?
Fine Gael and Enda Kenny may be rushing their fences. Kenny is making a political mistake in talking about pushing through his reform agenda via a Super-referendum within a year of taking office. That smells of single party diktat, not the vision of political leadership he would like to present it as.
If this really is the formula for a ‘New Republic’ then it will need a large measure of consensus across the political spectrum if any of it is going to work. Each of its elements must be fully thought through, examined and argued before any such package is laid before the general electorate for decision. Otherwise, it will be rejected, and rightly so.
UPDATE; 23 March – the official version is now available on FG’s website. The list system proposal and the ‘petitions’ concept appear to have fallen by the wayside following the debate at FG’s Conference last weekend. On Morning Ireland, Labour’s Eamon Gilmore promised that his party will be bringing forward its own electoral reform package sometime in the future, presumably after they’ve drafted one.
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This is an utterly shambolic proposal. If you want to rewrite the Constitution, then do so, but applying this set of bizarre reforms — some real, some window-dressing — makes no sense. Why does it matter if the Presidency is five years instead of seven? What difference could that possibly make? What does an “ultra-TD” do that a normal one doesn’t? These ideas are just nonsensical.
There is merit in dicussing the proposals–eg the 15 TD’s on the list—it could mean that they would work in the national interest rather than the parish pump interest and wouldn’t have to attend funerals. Presumably they would be named before the election so we would have an idea who they might be or a panel from which they would be chosen.Re Women in politics, the life does not suit young women with children and a quota won’t solve that, maybe the list should be used to bring in suitably qualified women. I don’t know the thinking about the 5 years–I think the office needs to be redefined, the role of the president as defined in the constitution is limited and maybe that is sufficient, do we need a president presiding over tea and buns to the ICA and senior citizens.I don’t know if pay for judges is in the proposals but it should be.Also the business of TD’s and retired TD’s receiving multiple payments from the state.Maybe that’s one for the public petition.The senate is beyond reform and serves no purpose. I presume each amendment is stand alone and won’t give rise to anomolies and contradictions. Let’s debate it anyway.
Under the Irish Free State Constitution, the Dail was elected as now from geographic constitutencies, but the Seanad was, for one election at least, directly elected by the citzens from one national constituency. Using STV, without the Australian “above the line” provision, which is kind of mind boggling, but anyway.
It wasn’t a great success, possibly as a result of the difficult electoral system, and was replaced by an indirectly elected Seanad, before De Valera abolished it in the end, but perhaps there’s a case for a revival. A Senate representing the four provinces, using something like the Australian system for electing their Senate-effectively a list system where voters accept the preference order proposed by the party, but which can be over-rided.
Might be complimentary to the Dail. I don’t think this party list business is a great idea. Seems a bit redundant. Won’t be very proportionate, and the reduction in TDs will reduce the proprtionality of the constituency seats more.
The thing about the Seanad is all the solutions in search of a problem. It could be selected from one national constituency as we did once, or from a weird set of corporatist “panels” as we do now. Or from the four provinces, or using the Australian method, sure. Or by a changing mix of hereditary aristocrats and ennobled businessmen, musicians, and civil servants, as the UK currently does. The fact that all of these proposals exist just confirms that the Seanad is completely pointless. We don’t envisage it as some sort of power-having parliamentary body, we envisage it as a place to conduct interesting political experiments that will select a group of people who get to play at being politicians in a realistic parliamentary setting. I’m with FG on this proposal, at least. Let’s dromedarize this bactrian. But I think the fact that these piecemeal reforms are being proposed just underlines the need for a real constitutional convention that will create a completely new Constitution.
I agree with Ben. This is a shambolic proposal, a set of bizarre reforms, mainly window-dressing.
Obviously this is nothing more than a game of pretence that FG are doing something without actually doing anything.
It follows then that FG must believe that doing anything that would have beneficial consequences is not possible in the current climate where democracy has been thrown out the window and the show is now run by those who control the flow of money, “investors” as they like to call themselves, as recent events have proved when taxpayers have been made to pay for their profligacy, or rip-off as I would prefer to call it.
Echoing some of the comments made here, Young Fine Gael has emphatically rejected the ‘New Ireland’ prescription of their elders and betters, according to today’s IT. As does an opinion piece in the paper, http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2010/0319/1224266593589.html, written by the old Labour stalwart, Michael O’Halloran, a former chief executive of the Irish Senior Citizens’ Parliament, a group with which YFG would not normally find much common ground.
Both critiques question the wisdom of proposals for political reform that are primarily based on saving costs rather than improving the quality of our political institutions. It’s a good point.
“Social partnership has made a great contribution to the development of democracy. While the social partners did not make laws, they helped to bring to the table the concerns of their constituents and often these concerns were of the poorest people in Ireland who have a very limited voice in politics.”(IT article)
I fundamentally disagree–social partnership ensured many decisions were taken outside of the Dail and only relayed when the deal was done. The social “partners ” were groups who were already well organised and represented and did not reflect the concerns of the poorest.Social partnership got indutrial peace when it was needed but has now actually become part of the problem and has weakened democracy.