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		<title>By: Dan Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree that Leo is not at the same risk as Hayes turned out to be but no one thought he was at that much of a risk as it was considered thar SF would challenge for the 2nd FF seat there. However, I still think that Leo planned for this Dáil that he would solidify his seat 1st and foremost.

Who knows DW could even suppply all 3 main party leaders, if the brakes on a bus on Kildare st were to take out the incumbents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree that Leo is not at the same risk as Hayes turned out to be but no one thought he was at that much of a risk as it was considered thar SF would challenge for the 2nd FF seat there. However, I still think that Leo planned for this Dáil that he would solidify his seat 1st and foremost.</p>
<p>Who knows DW could even suppply all 3 main party leaders, if the brakes on a bus on Kildare st were to take out the incumbents.</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veronica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

2002 was FG&#039;s &#039;meltdown&#039; year, I think, and Dublin South West is quite different to Dublin West in its social profile - substantial middle-class vote, &#039;new&#039; suburban areas and the like. Anyway, DW is going up from three to four seats in the next GE, so Leo looks to be sitting pretty. Even if he sat on his ass and didn&#039;t do another stroke of work from now &#039;til polling day, it would take a complete national collapse of the FG vote to threaten his position, I reckon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>2002 was FG&#8217;s &#8216;meltdown&#8217; year, I think, and Dublin South West is quite different to Dublin West in its social profile &#8211; substantial middle-class vote, &#8216;new&#8217; suburban areas and the like. Anyway, DW is going up from three to four seats in the next GE, so Leo looks to be sitting pretty. Even if he sat on his ass and didn&#8217;t do another stroke of work from now &#8217;til polling day, it would take a complete national collapse of the FG vote to threaten his position, I reckon.</p>
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		<title>By: EddieL</title>
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		<dc:creator>EddieL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel: All I am saying that when you cut through the waffle FF and FG have the same policies.  On NAMA FF would create a bad bank and a good bank, FG would create a good bank and a bad bank. FG pretentions to difference with FF on the privatisation of public services are nothing more than waffle.  This was not going to change but it is obvious that FG was trying to lend credibility to to their lack of an alternative economic and social policy to FF by having George Lee&#039;s imprimatur. 
It seems to me that George and the country had learned this the hard way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel: All I am saying that when you cut through the waffle FF and FG have the same policies.  On NAMA FF would create a bad bank and a good bank, FG would create a good bank and a bad bank. FG pretentions to difference with FF on the privatisation of public services are nothing more than waffle.  This was not going to change but it is obvious that FG was trying to lend credibility to to their lack of an alternative economic and social policy to FF by having George Lee&#8217;s imprimatur.<br />
It seems to me that George and the country had learned this the hard way.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2010/02/boy-george-no-more/comment-page-1/#comment-123843</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EddieL, I have to repeat myself (and that&#039;s no fun for anyone) but where are his policies. What is Leeism and how did it differ from FG were offering? I mean I&#039;m sick the back teeth of banging my (not inconsiderably sized some might say) head against the lack of a transparent process for members of the political parties in Ireland to have more of a say in policy generation but George Lee had an opportunity staring him in the face and he couldn&#039;t see it. Vincent Browne has pointed up the same thing, Declan Costello wrote the Just Society document, and he wasn&#039;t standing about wanting to be asked, I&#039;ve posted on my thoughts of how we could change the electoral system. I&#039;d be a proponent of revisiting ideas like the basic income scheme. If I and others here and elsewhere can scribble down concrete ideas why couldn&#039;t George?

One other thing about this notion that has gotten about that some people felt George had to serve his time or wait his turn and that he was like a star athlete that the party was simply refusing to play. I&#039;ve heard no one in FG suggest that he had to wait his turn, in fact it is the media that have come up with that notion, perhaps because it is so common in that field we couldn&#039;t have Tubridy present the Late Late until Pat Kenny stepped down. In truth he was more like a star sprinter such as Dwain Chambers (not making any drug or scandal comparison here) who tried out for rugby league but ultimately wasn&#039;t suitable. It was not about George being made to wait but George getting a chance to acclimate to the best way to be effective in the world of politics. Beating the analogy to death, I wouldn&#039;t have taken Mike Frank Russell in his heyday, signed him for Crystal Palace on the Friday and thrown him into the team the following day. It is remarkable that George Lee is feted and rightly so for being a great communicator but he didn&#039;t communicate a single idea to anyone either in FG or outside in his time in the Dáil. I think that says a lot about the Dáil, and the way we pay attention to politics.

Veronica, I think Leo Varadkar has been a stand-out of the 2007 Oireachtas intake and I would certainly rate him as a leadership contender whenever that contest might arise. Yet I also think that Leo is wary of the lessons from Brian Hayes&#039;s arrival when he was on the front bench quickly, did well but lost his seat in 2002. I wouldn&#039;t always agree with Leo but you can actually have a debate about ideas with him and feel that he is listening to what you&#039;ve got to say even at worst it is only to hone his own argument more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EddieL, I have to repeat myself (and that&#8217;s no fun for anyone) but where are his policies. What is Leeism and how did it differ from FG were offering? I mean I&#8217;m sick the back teeth of banging my (not inconsiderably sized some might say) head against the lack of a transparent process for members of the political parties in Ireland to have more of a say in policy generation but George Lee had an opportunity staring him in the face and he couldn&#8217;t see it. Vincent Browne has pointed up the same thing, Declan Costello wrote the Just Society document, and he wasn&#8217;t standing about wanting to be asked, I&#8217;ve posted on my thoughts of how we could change the electoral system. I&#8217;d be a proponent of revisiting ideas like the basic income scheme. If I and others here and elsewhere can scribble down concrete ideas why couldn&#8217;t George?</p>
<p>One other thing about this notion that has gotten about that some people felt George had to serve his time or wait his turn and that he was like a star athlete that the party was simply refusing to play. I&#8217;ve heard no one in FG suggest that he had to wait his turn, in fact it is the media that have come up with that notion, perhaps because it is so common in that field we couldn&#8217;t have Tubridy present the Late Late until Pat Kenny stepped down. In truth he was more like a star sprinter such as Dwain Chambers (not making any drug or scandal comparison here) who tried out for rugby league but ultimately wasn&#8217;t suitable. It was not about George being made to wait but George getting a chance to acclimate to the best way to be effective in the world of politics. Beating the analogy to death, I wouldn&#8217;t have taken Mike Frank Russell in his heyday, signed him for Crystal Palace on the Friday and thrown him into the team the following day. It is remarkable that George Lee is feted and rightly so for being a great communicator but he didn&#8217;t communicate a single idea to anyone either in FG or outside in his time in the Dáil. I think that says a lot about the Dáil, and the way we pay attention to politics.</p>
<p>Veronica, I think Leo Varadkar has been a stand-out of the 2007 Oireachtas intake and I would certainly rate him as a leadership contender whenever that contest might arise. Yet I also think that Leo is wary of the lessons from Brian Hayes&#8217;s arrival when he was on the front bench quickly, did well but lost his seat in 2002. I wouldn&#8217;t always agree with Leo but you can actually have a debate about ideas with him and feel that he is listening to what you&#8217;ve got to say even at worst it is only to hone his own argument more.</p>
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		<title>By: EddieL</title>
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		<dc:creator>EddieL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel:
James:
&quot;chairmanship of an open ended committee&quot; 
All part of the plot! George&#039;s name to FG economics!!
Maybe George was naive to think that FG politics of keeping the oligarchy in power could be made to accommodate the truth about Nama, the cause of the recession, the dire prospects for the labour force now on the dole etc.
But against that I suppose he had to give it a try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel:<br />
James:<br />
&#8220;chairmanship of an open ended committee&#8221;<br />
All part of the plot! George&#8217;s name to FG economics!!<br />
Maybe George was naive to think that FG politics of keeping the oligarchy in power could be made to accommodate the truth about Nama, the cause of the recession, the dire prospects for the labour force now on the dole etc.<br />
But against that I suppose he had to give it a try.</p>
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		<title>By: James Lawless</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Lawless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A woman said to me this morning &quot;he never got a chance&quot;. He got the best chance any rookie TD ever got and he blew it. Dáil seat on a plate and chairmanship of an open ended committee to boot. You&#039;ve got to make your own chances in this life. Or else move over and let someone else have a go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A woman said to me this morning &#8220;he never got a chance&#8221;. He got the best chance any rookie TD ever got and he blew it. Dáil seat on a plate and chairmanship of an open ended committee to boot. You&#8217;ve got to make your own chances in this life. Or else move over and let someone else have a go.</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veronica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

I hesitate to say this, because it&#039;s entirely a matter for Fine Gael about which I know little and am not therefore qualified to comment, but I think FG could look to skip a generation when they next decide it&#039;s time for a change of leadership or the current leader realises he has taken them as far as he personally can, whenever that may be. 

Perhaps I&#039;m partisan because Leo Varadkar is in my constituency. He&#039;s an excellent local representative in my particular area, as is Brian Lenihan,and they both demonstrate a commitment to the best interests of their constituents and an understanding of local sentiment and concerns. Leo, like Brian Lenihan too, also has an impressive command of national issues. 

While most of the time I probably wouldn&#039;t agree with his ideological perspective, his work rate and output in his shadow portfolio are impressive. But that&#039;s the thing about real leadership potential, isn&#039;t it? You may profoundly disagree with the ideology, but the practical ideas and personal commitment might persuade you to say: &quot;Why not? Let&#039;s give it a shot!&quot; Leo also seems capable of learning from his mistakes. So should a vacancy ever arise, maybe...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>I hesitate to say this, because it&#8217;s entirely a matter for Fine Gael about which I know little and am not therefore qualified to comment, but I think FG could look to skip a generation when they next decide it&#8217;s time for a change of leadership or the current leader realises he has taken them as far as he personally can, whenever that may be. </p>
<p>Perhaps I&#8217;m partisan because Leo Varadkar is in my constituency. He&#8217;s an excellent local representative in my particular area, as is Brian Lenihan,and they both demonstrate a commitment to the best interests of their constituents and an understanding of local sentiment and concerns. Leo, like Brian Lenihan too, also has an impressive command of national issues. </p>
<p>While most of the time I probably wouldn&#8217;t agree with his ideological perspective, his work rate and output in his shadow portfolio are impressive. But that&#8217;s the thing about real leadership potential, isn&#8217;t it? You may profoundly disagree with the ideology, but the practical ideas and personal commitment might persuade you to say: &#8220;Why not? Let&#8217;s give it a shot!&#8221; Leo also seems capable of learning from his mistakes. So should a vacancy ever arise, maybe&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Irish Election &#187; Hello, I must be going</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irish Election &#187; Hello, I must be going</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Daniel Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EddieL, &quot;According to George he was head-hunted by Fine Gael. It is obvious that they only wanted his name. He was therefore expected to leave his brains at the door.&quot; I&#039;m not sure that is the case, I think that people thought he would know what to do once elected, instead he was a lost lamb with no idea how to take something and run with it. 

Take this being chairman of an economic policy committee, he as chair could decide when it would meet, what the agenda would be, who would be invited to speak, what shape its outcome might be, all sorts of ways to influence policy. Christ he could have written a set of policies and published them, look at what Leo Varadkar did on quangos after he was 6 months in the Dáil.

http://www.leovaradkar.ie/wp-content/docs/streamlining.pdf

Where are even the sketches of the policies that George wanted to have implemented?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EddieL, &#8220;According to George he was head-hunted by Fine Gael. It is obvious that they only wanted his name. He was therefore expected to leave his brains at the door.&#8221; I&#8217;m not sure that is the case, I think that people thought he would know what to do once elected, instead he was a lost lamb with no idea how to take something and run with it. </p>
<p>Take this being chairman of an economic policy committee, he as chair could decide when it would meet, what the agenda would be, who would be invited to speak, what shape its outcome might be, all sorts of ways to influence policy. Christ he could have written a set of policies and published them, look at what Leo Varadkar did on quangos after he was 6 months in the Dáil.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.leovaradkar.ie/wp-content/docs/streamlining.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.leovaradkar.ie/wp-content/docs/streamlining.pdf</a></p>
<p>Where are even the sketches of the policies that George wanted to have implemented?</p>
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		<title>By: Des Groome</title>
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		<dc:creator>Des Groome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that analysis veronica- when you put it like that it&#039;s a cut throat constituency. Shay Brennan will struggle to get a look in again.
Time to let the sideshow pass by as you say though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that analysis veronica- when you put it like that it&#8217;s a cut throat constituency. Shay Brennan will struggle to get a look in again.<br />
Time to let the sideshow pass by as you say though.</p>
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