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		<title>By: steve white</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2010/01/things-ministers-dont-do/comment-page-1/#comment-123525</link>
		<dc:creator>steve white</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>swear i read or heard somewhere last week that ireland (and spain and uk and portugal) have the highest ratios of deaths from cold weather in europe. surprising as it seems.

people in ireland have died from this weather, inevitably, its not something for ministers to make glib remarks about

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1218/breaking43.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>swear i read or heard somewhere last week that ireland (and spain and uk and portugal) have the highest ratios of deaths from cold weather in europe. surprising as it seems.</p>
<p>people in ireland have died from this weather, inevitably, its not something for ministers to make glib remarks about</p>
<p><a href="http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1218/breaking43.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1218/breaking43.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Veronica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veronica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AK,

You&#039;ve got the wrong end of the stick there! Media reports from Germany said nine homeless people had died there due to the cold snap, but did not mention any other deaths from people falling through ice on lakes or traffic accidents or elderly epople freezing to death in their own homes etc. as were included in the information supplied from other countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AK,</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got the wrong end of the stick there! Media reports from Germany said nine homeless people had died there due to the cold snap, but did not mention any other deaths from people falling through ice on lakes or traffic accidents or elderly epople freezing to death in their own homes etc. as were included in the information supplied from other countries.</p>
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		<title>By: AK</title>
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		<dc:creator>AK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In relation to the topic being discussed, I&#039;m not sure I see the relevance of inserting the phrase (supposedly Homeless People) in the third comment.

Is this meant to imply that the death of a homeless person is of less importance, or is it simply a judgemental and prejudicial comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In relation to the topic being discussed, I&#8217;m not sure I see the relevance of inserting the phrase (supposedly Homeless People) in the third comment.</p>
<p>Is this meant to imply that the death of a homeless person is of less importance, or is it simply a judgemental and prejudicial comment.</p>
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		<title>By: EddieL</title>
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		<dc:creator>EddieL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Veronica: You bring up a very good point about &quot;state interference&quot;.  Sensible people believe that the state should interfere for the common good. But snsible now see that the state is abdicating its responsibility in this regard to the private sector e.g. banking, health, infrastructure, quangos, consultancies etc.
And what do we get instead? exactly, a nanny state with idiotic smoking bans, terrorised motorists, fear created by a compo culture, incomprehensible planning laws etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Veronica: You bring up a very good point about &#8220;state interference&#8221;.  Sensible people believe that the state should interfere for the common good. But snsible now see that the state is abdicating its responsibility in this regard to the private sector e.g. banking, health, infrastructure, quangos, consultancies etc.<br />
And what do we get instead? exactly, a nanny state with idiotic smoking bans, terrorised motorists, fear created by a compo culture, incomprehensible planning laws etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veronica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eddie,

He also took an interest in a lot of other things - like serious electoral reform, changes to the planning system, the introduction of e-voting, reform of third level education funding (incl. reintroduction of fees), introduction of spatial strategy, tax on plastic bags etc. I had some dealings with him when he was Minister for the Environment and like many others at that time, I had to admit that he was an innovative minister and committed to the service of the public. You don&#039;t have to agree with his policy position on particular issues nor even with any of his ideas, but at least he has ideas and he hasn&#039;t been afraid to argue the toss for them in the public arena. Pity we don&#039;t have a few more like him in national politics across all our main political parties. 

By the way, why is it that those who complain loudest about &#039;state interference&#039; in this or that aspect of their lives demand a &#039;nanny-state&#039; approach whenever there&#039;s a problem that might upset their daily routine? This whole debate is a distraction. It&#039;s also one that politicians in government can&#039;t ever win, irrespective of their party affiliation, as numerous past examples would illustrate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eddie,</p>
<p>He also took an interest in a lot of other things &#8211; like serious electoral reform, changes to the planning system, the introduction of e-voting, reform of third level education funding (incl. reintroduction of fees), introduction of spatial strategy, tax on plastic bags etc. I had some dealings with him when he was Minister for the Environment and like many others at that time, I had to admit that he was an innovative minister and committed to the service of the public. You don&#8217;t have to agree with his policy position on particular issues nor even with any of his ideas, but at least he has ideas and he hasn&#8217;t been afraid to argue the toss for them in the public arena. Pity we don&#8217;t have a few more like him in national politics across all our main political parties. </p>
<p>By the way, why is it that those who complain loudest about &#8216;state interference&#8217; in this or that aspect of their lives demand a &#8216;nanny-state&#8217; approach whenever there&#8217;s a problem that might upset their daily routine? This whole debate is a distraction. It&#8217;s also one that politicians in government can&#8217;t ever win, irrespective of their party affiliation, as numerous past examples would illustrate.</p>
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		<title>By: EddieL</title>
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		<dc:creator>EddieL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Veronica: I presume the reason people expect things from Mr Dempsey is because he has always taken a great interest in things like the M3 going through Tara and the Shell getting its way in Mayo etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Veronica: I presume the reason people expect things from Mr Dempsey is because he has always taken a great interest in things like the M3 going through Tara and the Shell getting its way in Mayo etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veronica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P,

Indeed. And when he&#039;d finished sniffing his way through the cargo hold of every plane searching for explosives, he could have taken another turn on the snow plows clearing the runways. The omniscience and omnipotence required of our politicians is awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P,</p>
<p>Indeed. And when he&#8217;d finished sniffing his way through the cargo hold of every plane searching for explosives, he could have taken another turn on the snow plows clearing the runways. The omniscience and omnipotence required of our politicians is awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: P O'Neill</title>
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		<dc:creator>P O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And that Minister Dempsey should have been in charge when Slovakian security accidentally put explosives on a plane to Dublin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that Minister Dempsey should have been in charge when Slovakian security accidentally put explosives on a plane to Dublin.</p>
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		<title>By: Betty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Item in today&#039;s Irish Times states that there is a Govt document which lists which Govt dept is responsible in the event of emergencies and it clearly states that in the event of severe weather that the dept of the Environment is the lead govt dept with sole responsibility for identifying the emergency,reacting to it and driving a central govt response. Clearly no one in govt knew this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Item in today&#8217;s Irish Times states that there is a Govt document which lists which Govt dept is responsible in the event of emergencies and it clearly states that in the event of severe weather that the dept of the Environment is the lead govt dept with sole responsibility for identifying the emergency,reacting to it and driving a central govt response. Clearly no one in govt knew this.</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veronica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cian,

The death toll from this current cold snap across Europe is running at 150 in Poland, 25 in the UK, at least 9 in Germany (supposedly homeless people) and 22 in avalanches in Switzerland and so on, depending on which news reports you read and how countries compile the statistics on the number of deaths directly attributable to the onset of the present severe weather conditions. Has anyone seen any reports on the number of deaths here? 

The disruption to all forms of travel has been a universal experience across Northern Europe, even in countries that are well acquainted to dealing with severe winters.

Noel Dempsey might have been better off not taking his winter break at all this year, though he could not, no more than anyone else, have known that the cold snap would turn out to be so prolonged and so severe. But for argument&#039;s sake, if a government figure taking their family holidays in August or a city break over Easter or a trip to the US in September in any particular year (as some of our politicians do, in fact) and their absence coincided with a freak weather event such as  the tail end of a hurricane hitting our shores, or God forbid, a tsunami(as could happen at any time) wiping out the south coast; or even some major political event occurring such as the sudden death of a major political figure or a terrorist incident, would the entire media be entitled to rage at the fact that they weren&#039;t here?

Politicians, government and opposition, are entitled to take holiday breaks the same as anyone else. It&#039;s political humbug when they try to conceal them (e.g. by giving phone interviews to radio stations and releasing statements to the media without revealing their sunny whereabouts) as much as it&#039;s media humbug to decry them for taking a break in the first place.

The real problem we&#039;ve had in the past couple of weeks, as you point out, is with the plethora of agencies and quangoes and councils and emergency committees, passing the buck to one another instead of having the brains to come out and say they were doing the best they could, they can&#039;t make the situation perfect, but that their priorities were to minimise potential loss of life, make sure old people and others in parlous circumstances didn&#039;t suffer unduly and that the rest would have to wait for the thaw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cian,</p>
<p>The death toll from this current cold snap across Europe is running at 150 in Poland, 25 in the UK, at least 9 in Germany (supposedly homeless people) and 22 in avalanches in Switzerland and so on, depending on which news reports you read and how countries compile the statistics on the number of deaths directly attributable to the onset of the present severe weather conditions. Has anyone seen any reports on the number of deaths here? </p>
<p>The disruption to all forms of travel has been a universal experience across Northern Europe, even in countries that are well acquainted to dealing with severe winters.</p>
<p>Noel Dempsey might have been better off not taking his winter break at all this year, though he could not, no more than anyone else, have known that the cold snap would turn out to be so prolonged and so severe. But for argument&#8217;s sake, if a government figure taking their family holidays in August or a city break over Easter or a trip to the US in September in any particular year (as some of our politicians do, in fact) and their absence coincided with a freak weather event such as  the tail end of a hurricane hitting our shores, or God forbid, a tsunami(as could happen at any time) wiping out the south coast; or even some major political event occurring such as the sudden death of a major political figure or a terrorist incident, would the entire media be entitled to rage at the fact that they weren&#8217;t here?</p>
<p>Politicians, government and opposition, are entitled to take holiday breaks the same as anyone else. It&#8217;s political humbug when they try to conceal them (e.g. by giving phone interviews to radio stations and releasing statements to the media without revealing their sunny whereabouts) as much as it&#8217;s media humbug to decry them for taking a break in the first place.</p>
<p>The real problem we&#8217;ve had in the past couple of weeks, as you point out, is with the plethora of agencies and quangoes and councils and emergency committees, passing the buck to one another instead of having the brains to come out and say they were doing the best they could, they can&#8217;t make the situation perfect, but that their priorities were to minimise potential loss of life, make sure old people and others in parlous circumstances didn&#8217;t suffer unduly and that the rest would have to wait for the thaw.</p>
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