Comments on: Brian Cowen’s Statement to the Dail on the Report of the Murphy Commission of Investigation Report into the Catholic Archdiocese of Dublin http://www.irishelection.com/2009/12/brian-cowens-statement-to-the-dail-on-the-report-of-the-murphy-commission-of-investigation-report-into-the-catholic-archdiocese-of-dublin/ Coverage of Irish Politics, News and Current Affairs Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:43:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.5 By: Tuppenceworth.ie blog » Help expel the Papal Nunico- Email Minister Martin http://www.irishelection.com/2009/12/brian-cowens-statement-to-the-dail-on-the-report-of-the-murphy-commission-of-investigation-report-into-the-catholic-archdiocese-of-dublin/comment-page-1/#comment-122669 Tuppenceworth.ie blog » Help expel the Papal Nunico- Email Minister Martin Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:09:04 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/?p=10153#comment-122669 [...] in Foreign Affairs and the Papal Nuncio, we’ve seen the Taoiseach forced to abandon his prepared speech to mount a shameful defence of the Vatican State and the Papal Nuncio in the [...] [...] in Foreign Affairs and the Papal Nuncio, we’ve seen the Taoiseach forced to abandon his prepared speech to mount a shameful defence of the Vatican State and the Papal Nuncio in the [...]

]]> By: steve white http://www.irishelection.com/2009/12/brian-cowens-statement-to-the-dail-on-the-report-of-the-murphy-commission-of-investigation-report-into-the-catholic-archdiocese-of-dublin/comment-page-1/#comment-122408 steve white Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:42:49 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/?p=10153#comment-122408 lets keep it within the priest lifetimes, lest we spread it out back to the year dot and try and avoid punishing anyone which is what your doing. lets keep it within the priest lifetimes, lest we spread it out back to the year dot and try and avoid punishing anyone which is what your doing.

]]> By: Niall http://www.irishelection.com/2009/12/brian-cowens-statement-to-the-dail-on-the-report-of-the-murphy-commission-of-investigation-report-into-the-catholic-archdiocese-of-dublin/comment-page-1/#comment-122389 Niall Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:18:05 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/?p=10153#comment-122389 If they had a set number of chances, they'd have used them up many centuries ago. If you're a Catholic priest, and the hierarchy are making it too difficult to perform your duties, retire. If you're a lay Catholic, the fitness for office of a member of the hierarchy is irrelevant to whether you stay or go (according to the tenents of the creed you adhere to). In either case, you have a duty to seek to improve the institutional church in whatever way you can. If they had a set number of chances, they’d have used them up many centuries ago. If you’re a Catholic priest, and the hierarchy are making it too difficult to perform your duties, retire. If you’re a lay Catholic, the fitness for office of a member of the hierarchy is irrelevant to whether you stay or go (according to the tenents of the creed you adhere to). In either case, you have a duty to seek to improve the institutional church in whatever way you can.

]]> By: steve white http://www.irishelection.com/2009/12/brian-cowens-statement-to-the-dail-on-the-report-of-the-murphy-commission-of-investigation-report-into-the-catholic-archdiocese-of-dublin/comment-page-1/#comment-122387 steve white Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:36:52 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/?p=10153#comment-122387 at what point do you or the "good priest" leave a corrupt organisation how many chances do you give them to change? they used up all their chances years ago. at what point do you or the “good priest” leave a corrupt organisation how many chances do you give them to change? they used up all their chances years ago.

]]> By: Niall http://www.irishelection.com/2009/12/brian-cowens-statement-to-the-dail-on-the-report-of-the-murphy-commission-of-investigation-report-into-the-catholic-archdiocese-of-dublin/comment-page-1/#comment-122382 Niall Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:17:23 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/?p=10153#comment-122382 I've joined the group. I think it's a bit extreme to ask to have the PN expelled, but they don't have a facebook group up to ask the government to threaten to kick the papal nuncio out if the non-compliance of the Vatican does not cease in the immediate to short-term. I'm sympathetic to the church. Many commenting in the press and online think of the church solely in terms of the hierarchy. It's not. The good work carried out by thousands of priests, nuns and laity is overshadowed by those power-hungry enough to make it to the top. When I hear calls to strip the church of its assets or to kick them out of education (when it's really the government that needs to get into education) I can't help but roll my eyes at many of the suggestions. The RCC needs to change its selection criteria for Bishops at all costs. It rewards those who attempt to avoid controversy at all costs. In this sense, it's not all that different from many of the other institutions on this island. Those who rock the boat are drowned, and those that sweep problems under the carpet while ruthless pursuiting power are always rewarded. I’ve joined the group. I think it’s a bit extreme to ask to have the PN expelled, but they don’t have a facebook group up to ask the government to threaten to kick the papal nuncio out if the non-compliance of the Vatican does not cease in the immediate to short-term.

I’m sympathetic to the church. Many commenting in the press and online think of the church solely in terms of the hierarchy. It’s not. The good work carried out by thousands of priests, nuns and laity is overshadowed by those power-hungry enough to make it to the top. When I hear calls to strip the church of its assets or to kick them out of education (when it’s really the government that needs to get into education) I can’t help but roll my eyes at many of the suggestions. The RCC needs to change its selection criteria for Bishops at all costs. It rewards those who attempt to avoid controversy at all costs. In this sense, it’s not all that different from many of the other institutions on this island. Those who rock the boat are drowned, and those that sweep problems under the carpet while ruthless pursuiting power are always rewarded.

]]> By: Most holy Bertie on the bishops | Twenty Major – Still smoking in Dublin bars http://www.irishelection.com/2009/12/brian-cowens-statement-to-the-dail-on-the-report-of-the-murphy-commission-of-investigation-report-into-the-catholic-archdiocese-of-dublin/comment-page-1/#comment-122379 Most holy Bertie on the bishops | Twenty Major – Still smoking in Dublin bars Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:15:21 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/?p=10153#comment-122379 [...] The full text of his statement to the Dail can be found on Irish Election. [...] [...] The full text of his statement to the Dail can be found on Irish Election. [...]

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