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	<title>Comments on: Labour kick off &#8220;YES&#8221; to Lisbon II Campaign</title>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2009/07/labour-start-working-for-a-yes-vote-on-lisbon-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-121318</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m confused. I&#039;m pro-choice and like the idea of conscription. Although I&#039;m not sure if these two points are relevant to Lisbon any more due to these guarantees. I also believe that the European Parliament (although very slow) are more competent than the Dáil and transferring powers to the EU is a good thing in my book. So I voted Yes the first time round.

Is there any reason why I shouldn&#039;t vote yes again this time round?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused. I&#8217;m pro-choice and like the idea of conscription. Although I&#8217;m not sure if these two points are relevant to Lisbon any more due to these guarantees. I also believe that the European Parliament (although very slow) are more competent than the Dáil and transferring powers to the EU is a good thing in my book. So I voted Yes the first time round.</p>
<p>Is there any reason why I shouldn&#8217;t vote yes again this time round?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Walsh</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2009/07/labour-start-working-for-a-yes-vote-on-lisbon-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-121251</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Voting has nothing to do with having a passport and everything to do with being an Irish citizen. If you were born in Ireland or either of your parents were, you&#039;re a citizen and all you have to do is to go to your local city/county council and sign on the register of electors. In the event they ask you for identification a birth cert along a form of photographic id, should do.

The European Union has &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.europe.org.sg/en/eu_in_sg/death_penalty.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;consistently opposed&lt;/a&gt; the death penalty in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/514&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;all circumstances&lt;/a&gt; and its Charter of Fundamental Rights and Freedoms contains the following  provision:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;1. Everyone has the right to life.

2. No one shall be condemned to the death penalty, or executed.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Referendum Commission is an independent body set under statute to give the public balanced and informed analysis on Constitutional Amendment. Their website on the Lisbon Treaty referendum is at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lisbontreaty2008.ie/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.lisbontreaty2008.ie&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Voting has nothing to do with having a passport and everything to do with being an Irish citizen. If you were born in Ireland or either of your parents were, you&#8217;re a citizen and all you have to do is to go to your local city/county council and sign on the register of electors. In the event they ask you for identification a birth cert along a form of photographic id, should do.</p>
<p>The European Union has <a href="http://www.europe.org.sg/en/eu_in_sg/death_penalty.htm" rel="nofollow">consistently opposed</a> the death penalty in <a href="http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/514" rel="nofollow">all circumstances</a> and its Charter of Fundamental Rights and Freedoms contains the following  provision:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;1. Everyone has the right to life.</p>
<p>2. No one shall be condemned to the death penalty, or executed.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The Referendum Commission is an independent body set under statute to give the public balanced and informed analysis on Constitutional Amendment. Their website on the Lisbon Treaty referendum is at <a href="http://www.lisbontreaty2008.ie/" rel="nofollow">http://www.lisbontreaty2008.ie</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: "V"</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2009/07/labour-start-working-for-a-yes-vote-on-lisbon-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-121244</link>
		<dc:creator>"V"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you vote &quot;yes&quot; you will be by stealth condemning 560`000`000 people to an Un-Democratic fate of which we all will resigned to.

Although you will be voting in &quot;principle&quot; to an amendment of which the EU is wise too following the rejection of the first vote, it will appeal more to the first round &quot;No&quot; voters  as your &quot;concerns&quot; will be addressed. 

What you are being presented is more of a glossy version which appeals specifically to you the Irish voter.    

The treaty is exactly the same and although quite a read I suggest you look through the smoke and mirrors for it is quite scary and far from representative let alone &quot;democratic&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you vote &#8220;yes&#8221; you will be by stealth condemning 560`000`000 people to an Un-Democratic fate of which we all will resigned to.</p>
<p>Although you will be voting in &#8220;principle&#8221; to an amendment of which the EU is wise too following the rejection of the first vote, it will appeal more to the first round &#8220;No&#8221; voters  as your &#8220;concerns&#8221; will be addressed. </p>
<p>What you are being presented is more of a glossy version which appeals specifically to you the Irish voter.    </p>
<p>The treaty is exactly the same and although quite a read I suggest you look through the smoke and mirrors for it is quite scary and far from representative let alone &#8220;democratic&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Spillane - Lisbon Round-Up: Greens Say Yes and No Side Lies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Spillane - Lisbon Round-Up: Greens Say Yes and No Side Lies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] launched there Yes campiagn good and early which was covered by Evert over on Irish Election. He takes a look at what Labour are saying about the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] launched there Yes campiagn good and early which was covered by Evert over on Irish Election. He takes a look at what Labour are saying about the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Walsh</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2009/07/labour-start-working-for-a-yes-vote-on-lisbon-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-121200</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Voting has nothing to do with having a passport and everything to do with being an Irish citizen. If you were born in Ireland or either of your parents were, you&#039;re a citizen and all you have to do is to go to your local city/county council and sign on the register of electors. In the event they ask you for identification a birth cert along a form of photographic id should do.

The European Union has &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.europe.org.sg/en/eu_in_sg/death_penalty.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;consistently opposed&lt;/a&gt; the death penalty in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/514&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;all circumstances&lt;/a&gt; and its Charter of Fundamental Rights and Freedoms contains the following provision:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;1. Everyone has the right to life.

2. No one shall be condemned to the death penalty, or executed.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Referendum Commission are an independent body set under statute to give the electorate balanced and informed analysis on Constitutional Amendment. Their website on the Lisbon Treaty is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lisbontreaty2008.ie/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Voting has nothing to do with having a passport and everything to do with being an Irish citizen. If you were born in Ireland or either of your parents were, you&#8217;re a citizen and all you have to do is to go to your local city/county council and sign on the register of electors. In the event they ask you for identification a birth cert along a form of photographic id should do.</p>
<p>The European Union has <a href="http://www.europe.org.sg/en/eu_in_sg/death_penalty.htm" rel="nofollow">consistently opposed</a> the death penalty in <a href="http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/514" rel="nofollow">all circumstances</a> and its Charter of Fundamental Rights and Freedoms contains the following provision:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;1. Everyone has the right to life.</p>
<p>2. No one shall be condemned to the death penalty, or executed.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The Referendum Commission are an independent body set under statute to give the electorate balanced and informed analysis on Constitutional Amendment. Their website on the Lisbon Treaty is <a href="http://www.lisbontreaty2008.ie/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2009/07/labour-start-working-for-a-yes-vote-on-lisbon-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-121172</link>
		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as this is politics I won&#039;t be posting a link to my website on this one, I prefer to keep my own political view separate from my business.

however... here they are:

I can&#039;t vote on an Irish Referendum because I don&#039;t hold an Irish passport, although I could if I went through the application process.. I&#039;ve been living in Dublin 8 years, and Belfast &amp; Northern Ireland before that.

So the first time the treaty was discussed not one politician gave me a clear outline of what the treaty was about.
I read the pamphlet and I read a section which said that in certain circumstance the death penalty was permissible. I&#039;m a pacifist.  So I fundamentally disagree with this.
Therefore I&#039;d vote no.

My MAIN contention with this treaty though is that it still hasn&#039;t been clearly outlined what exactly it means.  And this example is just another piece of misinformation that the politicians are spouting.

Do I have too high expectations?  I expect that the leaders of this country to be honest &amp; have integrity, I also expect them to provide accurate information to the people of Ireland so that they can make informed choices about legislation which effects their country.  (I know, I know you can stop laughing now at the riduculousness of my expectations!)

I am very close to going on a rant and listing all the things I hate about politics in Ireland, but I will contain myself...

If the reason behind bringing it to the people a second time is due to the misinformation then this hasn&#039;t been addressed.
If it is to change the treaty- this also hasn&#039;t been addressed. 

Therefore, in twitter speak I&#039;d class this as a #fail monumental- and a double one at that!

And please don&#039;t get me started with how they&#039;re mis-managing the economy!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as this is politics I won&#8217;t be posting a link to my website on this one, I prefer to keep my own political view separate from my business.</p>
<p>however&#8230; here they are:</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t vote on an Irish Referendum because I don&#8217;t hold an Irish passport, although I could if I went through the application process.. I&#8217;ve been living in Dublin 8 years, and Belfast &amp; Northern Ireland before that.</p>
<p>So the first time the treaty was discussed not one politician gave me a clear outline of what the treaty was about.<br />
I read the pamphlet and I read a section which said that in certain circumstance the death penalty was permissible. I&#8217;m a pacifist.  So I fundamentally disagree with this.<br />
Therefore I&#8217;d vote no.</p>
<p>My MAIN contention with this treaty though is that it still hasn&#8217;t been clearly outlined what exactly it means.  And this example is just another piece of misinformation that the politicians are spouting.</p>
<p>Do I have too high expectations?  I expect that the leaders of this country to be honest &amp; have integrity, I also expect them to provide accurate information to the people of Ireland so that they can make informed choices about legislation which effects their country.  (I know, I know you can stop laughing now at the riduculousness of my expectations!)</p>
<p>I am very close to going on a rant and listing all the things I hate about politics in Ireland, but I will contain myself&#8230;</p>
<p>If the reason behind bringing it to the people a second time is due to the misinformation then this hasn&#8217;t been addressed.<br />
If it is to change the treaty- this also hasn&#8217;t been addressed. </p>
<p>Therefore, in twitter speak I&#8217;d class this as a #fail monumental- and a double one at that!</p>
<p>And please don&#8217;t get me started with how they&#8217;re mis-managing the economy!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Walsh</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2009/07/labour-start-working-for-a-yes-vote-on-lisbon-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-121165</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I hear there&#039;s a lot of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2009/0714/1224250637985.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;that&lt;/a&gt; going around at the moment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I hear there&#8217;s a lot of <a href="http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2009/0714/1224250637985.html" rel="nofollow">that</a> going around at the moment!</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2009/07/labour-start-working-for-a-yes-vote-on-lisbon-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-121151</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree with Evert that a 2nd referendum show a blatant disrespect for the democratic process AND a lack of understanding of the issues the treaty held  for the Irish people.

Also agree that, from what I understand of it, the changes do not make this a treaty now worth voting Yes to. I will be voting No again. 

Unfortunately I think, as Evert also alludes to, many may now be scaremongered into voting yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree with Evert that a 2nd referendum show a blatant disrespect for the democratic process AND a lack of understanding of the issues the treaty held  for the Irish people.</p>
<p>Also agree that, from what I understand of it, the changes do not make this a treaty now worth voting Yes to. I will be voting No again. </p>
<p>Unfortunately I think, as Evert also alludes to, many may now be scaremongered into voting yes.</p>
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		<title>By: FiscalStudent</title>
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		<dc:creator>FiscalStudent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it would be fair to say that many people voted &quot;no&quot; on the first treaty for reasons completely unrelated to aspects of the treaty. The Irish Farmers Association in particular stands out in my mind as pretty much putting their vote up for sale to the government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it would be fair to say that many people voted &#8220;no&#8221; on the first treaty for reasons completely unrelated to aspects of the treaty. The Irish Farmers Association in particular stands out in my mind as pretty much putting their vote up for sale to the government.</p>
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		<title>By: NiallOK</title>
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		<dc:creator>NiallOK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno... as I say, I&#039;m no expert on it and I don&#039;t have a huge amount of opinion on it, but the leaflet that came in the door did use the word &quot;guarantees&quot;. I never had a problem with the treaty in the first place, mind you, - voted YES the first time around and most likely will do so again unless something huge convinces me otherwise (which I seriously can&#039;t see happening).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno&#8230; as I say, I&#8217;m no expert on it and I don&#8217;t have a huge amount of opinion on it, but the leaflet that came in the door did use the word &#8220;guarantees&#8221;. I never had a problem with the treaty in the first place, mind you, &#8211; voted YES the first time around and most likely will do so again unless something huge convinces me otherwise (which I seriously can&#8217;t see happening).</p>
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