Comments on: Libertas – in hindsight

By: EWI

EWI — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:50:39 +0000

In reality, Irish people have always voted on national issues in the Euros, and left EU issues for referenda.

Says you as a Libertas supporter (and employee?). I don’t think that you’ll find many people who’ll believe you though.

As for the rapidly disintegrating cult that is Libertas, I’m just enjoying the show, like everyone else…

By: FutureTaoiseach

FutureTaoiseach — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:05:37 +0000

I would also add that nationally, Libertas won 5.4% of the 1st preference vote – more than double the vote of the Greens and higher than the PDs either in 1997 or 2002. I agree that a niche exists for a Eurocritical centre-right party, but withour Ganley’s resources behind it, it will be an uphill struggle against the Establishment parties. As a cenre-right voter, I would have welcomed the opportunity to vote for Libertas in a General Election, but as sthings stand, I will probably have to settle for FG – a party that has been moving to the Right on economic policy but which is equally committed to the European Federal Project I abhore so much.

By: FutureTaoiseach

FutureTaoiseach — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:01:32 +0000

I don’t think 14% in the NW (67,000 votes) is a “shambles”. Other than that it was, however. I think though that the European dimension is dwelt on too much in the context of these elections. In reality, Irish people have always voted on national issues in the Euros, and left EU issues for referenda. The euro-election results understate the vote for the anti-Lisbon candidates in any case. 12% voted for SF yet they are unrepresented by an MEP in the 26 countries, whereas Labour, on 15%, has 3 MEPs – the same as FF on 25% of the 1st preference vote.

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By: Donal O\\\'Brolchain

Donal O\\\'Brolchain — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:54:16 +0000

Why waste time and effort on the meteoric rise and fall of Libertas – now that the founder has given up on the aims he presented for the European Union?
That Libertas gained traction on the Lisbon referendum just showed how little conviction and organisation our governing classes brought to this important issue.

By: Daniel Sullivan

Daniel Sullivan — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:11:58 +0000

EWI, when I heard about the recount in NorthWest because of the manner of the opening of the bins I was very much put in mind of SU type politics.

By: EWI

EWI — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 02:34:06 +0000

Steve White, are you by any chance referring to the previous existence of most of the youthful Libertas staffers (and assorted hangers-on) as members of the equally farcical – and just as given to student-politics stunts – “Freedom Institute”?

By: Allaine Smythe

Allaine Smythe — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:26:53 +0000

Union, in my opinion would be not only an internal “cohesion” or “rules or policies” book communicating the definitions and or guidelines covering the affairs of the union, they may have avoided the misinterpretations on both sides.

By: steve white

steve white — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 01:36:03 +0000

they guys involved don’t care they just want freedom(tm) to reign ;P