Who would Lose out 8?
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This is the Eight and last in a series of posts looking at who would or would not keep their seats if an election was called now. With not much local polling to go on this is entirely my opinion and probably wrong. If you have any ideas on it please drop a comment.
Dublin South West
| * | Conor Lenihan | 8,542 | 20.51% | 1.03 | 1 | Made Quota | 1 | ||||||||
| Brian Hayes | 8,346 | 20.04% | 1.00 | 1 | Made Quota | 2 | |||||||||
| * | Pat Rabbitte | 8,325 | 19.99% | 1.00 | 2 | Made Quota | 3 | ||||||||
| * | Charlie O’Connor | 7,813 | 18.76% | 0.94 | 6 | Made Quota | 4 | ||||||||
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| * | Sean Crowe | 5,066 | 12.16% | 0.61 | (6) | Not Elected | |||||||||
| Elizabeth Davidson | 1,546 | 3.71% | 0.19 | (6) | Not Elected | ||||||||||
In 2002 Sean Crowe topped the poll here. While last time out he lost out to Fianna Fail. Last time out 2 candidates got elected on the first count while Pat Rabbitte the then leader of Labour needed 6 votes to get the quota. This time out I think that FF will not get in on the first count while FG and Labour should be safe enough. Sinn Fein should take a seat here as well. While Fine Gael or Labour might be tempted to run a second candidate here. I think FF can take at least one seat. The question is who? It will be a dog fight between Charlie O’Connor and Conor Lenihan.
Verdict: 1FF 1FG 1 Lab 1 SF.
Dublin Mid-West
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| * | John Curran3 | 8,650 | 23.17% | 1.16 | 1 | Made Quota | 1 | ||||||||
| * | Paul Gogarty | 4,043 | 10.83% | 0.54 | 6 | Made Quota | 2 | ||||||||
| * | Mary Harney | 4,663 | 12.49% | 0.62 | 6 | Made Quota | 3 | ||||||||
| Joanna Tuffy | 4,075 | 10.91% | 0.55 | 6 | Elected | 4 | |||||||||
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| Frances Fitzgerald | 4,480 | 12.00% | 0.60 | (6) | Not Elected | ||||||||||
| Luke Moriarty | 3,671 | 9.83% | 0.49 | (5) | Eliminated | ||||||||||
With Mary Harney unlikely to be standing again this opens up a seat here for an obvious Fine Gael gain. Whether or not there is the possibility for 2 seats remains to be seen. If they can target successfully they PD vote. They well see them polling very strongly but strong enough to unseat Fianna Fail? I am not sure. I think they will have enough to keep the seat. The other question is how vulnerable is the Green seat here. It is certainly vulnerable to attacks from the left with Labour eating into their vote. But I think Paul Gogarty can hold on. As I don’t think Labour could serious mount an attempt on 2 seats here. But stranger things have happened.
Verdict: 1 FF 1G 1FG 1 Lab
Dublin Central.
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| * | Bertie Ahern | 12,734 | 36.76% | 1.84 | 1 | Made Quota | 1 | ||||||||
| * | Tony Gregory | 4,649 | 13.42% | 0.67 | 8 | Made Quota | 3 | ||||||||
| * | Joe Costello | 4,353 | 12.57% | 0.63 | 8 | Made Quota | 2 | ||||||||
| § | Cyprian Brady | 939 | 2.71% | 0.14 | 8 | Elected | 4 | ||||||||
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| Paschal Donohoe | 3,302 | 9.53% | 0.48 | (8) | Not Elected | ||||||||||
| Mary Lou McDonald | 3,182 | 9.19% | 0.46 | (7) | Eliminated | ||||||||||
Could it happen? Could Bertie Ahern lose his seat? Could Mary Lou finally get a seat in the Dail? Well anything is possible but I still think that Bertie is loved and well win if he runs. The question is can FF pull off another situation where someone polling 939 in the first count could win and take a seat. I sincerly doubt it. So that leaves 1 seat free. Also with the death of Tony Gregory what happens to his vote. Looking at where his vote was transferred in 2007 much of it went to Labour with about twice the amount that went to Sinn Fein. Sinn Fein at this stage believe that this seat is there’s by right. But I think that if Labour poll strongly in the by-election they well be tempted to run a second candidate in a general. While they are running the risk of splitting their vote I think they would be safe to try to ploy as at least one will get a seat. Sinn Finn might think they will gain from a Fianna Fail fall but they receive just as much transfers from FF as Labour so I think they are not going to benefit greatly. With a labour bounce and Fine Gael polling strongly. I think Mary Lou is going to be staying in Europe. Bertie will top the poll one more time.
Verdict: 1FF 1FG 2 Lab
Dublin North
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| Michael Kennedy4 | 10,869 | 19.89% | 0.99 | 3 | Made Quota | 1 | |||||||||
| * | Trevor Sargent | 7,448 | 13.63% | 0.68 | 8 | Made Quota | 2 | ||||||||
| Darragh O’Brien | 7,055 | 12.91% | 0.65 | 9 | Made Quota | 3 | |||||||||
| Dr James Reilly | 7,667 | 14.03% | 0.70 | 10 | Elected | 4 | |||||||||
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| Brendan Ryan3 | 5,256 | 9.62% | 0.48 | (10) | Not Elected | ||||||||||
| John O’Leary3 | 5,074 | 9.29% | 0.46 | (8) | Eliminated | ||||||||||
| Clare Daly | 4,872 | 8.92% | 0.45 | (7) | Eliminated | ||||||||||
As he is no longer the leader if the Green party I think Trevor Sargent might see a dip in his vote. But not enough to see himself home. He said that he would not lead the party into power with Fianna Fail and he more or less kept his word although taking a junior ministry. Like everywhere Fianna Fail is going to see a large drop in their vote with the likely beneficiaries being the Labour party. But one to watch out for is Clare Daly of the Socialist party. A possible dark horse to take the seat. They have been threatening for a while and may take a protest vote. If they fall off in the Fianna Fail vote is as large the polls are suggesting and with a transferphobic then I think both Fianna Fail seats are in danger. In 2002 Clare Daly lost out by about 900 votes. This time out I don’t think she will. While Labour with a boost will take another seat off Fianna Fail.
Verdict: 1FG 1Lab 1 Soc 1 Green
Dublin North Central
| * | Richard Bruton | 9,303 | 25.55% | 1.02 | 1 | Made Quota | 1 | ||||||||
| * | Sean Haughey | 9,026 | 24.79% | 0.99 | 3 | Made Quota | 2 | ||||||||
| * | Finian McGrath | 5,169 | 14.19% | 0.57 | 5 | Made Quota | 3 | ||||||||
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| * | Ivor Callely | 7,003 | 19.23% | 0.77 | (5) | Not Elected | |||||||||
| Derek McDowell | 2,649 | 7.27% | 0.29 | (4) | Eliminated | ||||||||||
While the polls show Gilmore is the most popular leader in the country I am sure that Richard Bruton is the most popular politican. This will be reflected in a increase in his personnal vote and Fine Gael may be tempted to run a second canidate here. Sean Haughey should be safe enough here. Finian Mcgrath may see a drop in his vote and attacks from Labour but I think this constiuency will see not much change.
Verdict: 1FG 1FF 1 Ind
Dublin North East
| * | Tommy P Broughan | 5,294 | 15.16% | 0.61 | 4 | Made Quota | 1 | ||||||||
| Terence Flanagan | 4,483 | 12.83% | 0.51 | 4 | Elected | 2 | |||||||||
| * | Michael Woods | 7,003 | 20.05% | 0.80 | 4 | Elected | 3 | ||||||||
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| * | Martin Brady | 6,861 | 19.64% | 0.79 | (4) | Not Elected | |||||||||
| Larry O’Toole | 4,661 | 13.34% | 0.53 | (3) | Eliminated | ||||||||||
| Brody Sweeney | 3,529 | 10.10% | 0.40 | (2) | Eliminated | ||||||||||
Tommy Broughan is one of the most vocal Labour canidates and should see an increase in this vote. Sinn Fein will target this seat but I think that Labour’s rise will stem them and allow FF to hold on.
Verdict: 1Lab 1FG 1FF
Dublin North West
| * | Noel Ahern | 7,913 | 25.56% | 1.02 | 1 | Made Quota | 1 | ||||||||
| * | Roisin Shortall | 6,286 | 20.30% | 0.81 | 3 | Made Quota | 2 | ||||||||
| * | Pat Carey2 | 7,211 | 23.29% | 0.93 | 3 | Made Quota | 3 | ||||||||
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| Dessie Ellis | 4,873 | 15.74% | 0.63 | (3) | Not Elected | ||||||||||
| Dr Bill Tormey | 3,083 | 9.96% | 0.40 | (2) | Eliminated | ||||||||||
This is a seat that Sinn Fein will target strongly hoping to gain from a fail for Fianna Fail. In the last election were FF transfers were used Labour benefitted more then Sinn Fein did but Sinn Fein benefited more then Fine Gael. If this is repeated in the next election. Sinn Fein should be able to capitalise.
Verdict: 1SF 1 FF 1Lab
And so we could to the end of our fantasy election series. This leaves the Dail in an interesting situation with Fine Gael dominating the Dail but not able to form a government without the Labour party. Of course my predictions could be totally wrong but I think it does give us an idea or what shape a government formed in a new election might take.
Fine Gael on 71 (+20)
Fianna Fail on 44 (-34)
Labour 29 (+9)
Sinn Fein 9 (+4)
Ind 6 (+1)
Greens 5 (-1)
Socialists 2 (+2)
I think the obvious coalition would be Fine Gael Labour. But Fine Gael, Sinn Fein greens has the seats but unlikely. Fianna Fail Labour Sinn Fein + ind is also possible but unprobable.
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Great series – I think there’s only generally one flaw with your logic, being that the anti-FF vibe will transfer into pro-FG sentiment. Realistically I can only see their vote getting divvied up between all other parties (in my own neck of the woods, Meath West, I’d think Joe Reilly from SF far more likely to steal Johnny Brady’s FF seat than Dominic Hannigan).
Hopefully if I’m right we’d get what I’ve always wanted to see: a situation where only a Grand Coalition can provide the strengh in numbers needed for a secure government. Then FF and FG realise they have everything in common, merge, and beget a breakup into more fragmented parties actually built on political ideology.
I thought Hannigan ran in Meath East, in fact I just checked – he did run in Meath East. So yes Gav you’re 100% correct that Joe O’Reilly is more likely to take Johnny Brady’s seat than Hannigan but that also means the rest of what you wrote in coming from someone who didn’t read Simon’s posts properly.
It is all guess work really gav. And I don’t have enough local knowledge everywhere. So some predictions are more likely to be correct then others. The main reason for doing it was to see what the numbers would be like. 38% in the polls does not mean 38% of seats. It can be more or less.(71 is 42%) I think loking at it that FG might just be short of getting in without either Labour or Fianna Fail. Unless they are wiling to throw Sinn Fein a bone. But considering Enda is rulling out governing with the greens I think Enda is looking long term at Labour
Enda will equally be mindful Simon that 30 odd Labour TDs will require a lot of cabinet posts. While a coalition with SF might n ot be his favourite he will now two things – that he can do a deal with them, that 10 odd SF TDs will require less cabinet posts than Labour.
But maybe he worries that Labour need to be in so as to avoid FG carrying all the blame for hard choices.
The advantage of having labour on the outside would be that it would prevent FF from being the main opposition. If FF get 40 odd and Labour have 30 odd then FF cant really be the opposition. It would do more damagae to FF to have Labour outside the govt.
I don’t think this should be done before the local elections. The Greens are running two excellent candidates for the Dublin Central wards, if one or both take a seat it utterly changes the predictions for the next GE.
Good man Andrew, chaos theory at work. If the Greens get someone elected to a Dublin city council ward it will game everything!
Jesus, Dan, cheers for the extremely helpful feedback in an over-the-top dismissal just because I mixed up the names ‘Johnny Brady’ and ‘Thomas Byrne’.
That said, I guess Thomas Byrne has surprised us all with how well he polled in the Ireland East election so he’s probably likely to hang in there now.