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	<title>Comments on: The king is dead long live the ?????? &#8211; Bertie Ahern Resignation Open Thread</title>
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		<title>By: SOS</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2008/04/the-king-is-dead-long-live-the/comment-page-1/#comment-63937</link>
		<dc:creator>SOS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 08:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was interested to read the blog from Fiona Price.

Her memory is absolutely correct. The boom started with John Bruton. And John Hume brought about peace in Northern Ireland, with help from Albert Reynolds. 

Ahern took the photo-opportunities - after all the hard work behind the scenes was completed by the professionals.

Bertie Ahern, when challenged about his convoluted finances, (he was Minister Of Finance at the time) stated that some of the &quot;bungs&quot; he got was to pay Stamp Duty on his Rented House! 

It tells one all one has to know about the competence of this absurd person. And it was during his tenure as Minister, that the whole issue of Stamp Duty was defined.

The man is incapable of functioning without his prepared notes; speeches; €300 weekly cosmetic makeover; helicopter; Gulf Stream jet &amp; all the props that disguise his incompetence.

And, Fiona Price also raised the issue of Ahern&#039;s proposed visit to the United States of America (at the taxpayers&#039; expense, again) to read a prepared paper to Congress.

As a disgraced former PM, he should send an apology to all the Irish people in the USA that he has let down by his crass behaviour and, if indeed any address is really necessary, or of value to the economy of Ireland , allow a TD of stature and probity to carry out the address. 

As for evading his responsibilities as a public servant, and not having Mahon on his back into old age, like his mentor, the late unlamented Don Charleone of Abbeville, that is up to HIM, not Mahon. 

Just tell them the truth; retire and watch football over a pint of imported English beer. Maybe take a part time job with the beards &amp; sandals in the Movement.

But, Bertie, whatever you decide to do, don&#039;t even begin to think of going to the EU. 

They have enough problems of their own, with MEP&#039;s fiddling their expenses; trade unions supporters disrupting the economy &amp; driving up inflation; and the likes of Marylou (SF) - as an apologist for the murderous activities of her associates in the IRA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was interested to read the blog from Fiona Price.</p>
<p>Her memory is absolutely correct. The boom started with John Bruton. And John Hume brought about peace in Northern Ireland, with help from Albert Reynolds. </p>
<p>Ahern took the photo-opportunities &#8211; after all the hard work behind the scenes was completed by the professionals.</p>
<p>Bertie Ahern, when challenged about his convoluted finances, (he was Minister Of Finance at the time) stated that some of the &#8220;bungs&#8221; he got was to pay Stamp Duty on his Rented House! </p>
<p>It tells one all one has to know about the competence of this absurd person. And it was during his tenure as Minister, that the whole issue of Stamp Duty was defined.</p>
<p>The man is incapable of functioning without his prepared notes; speeches; €300 weekly cosmetic makeover; helicopter; Gulf Stream jet &amp; all the props that disguise his incompetence.</p>
<p>And, Fiona Price also raised the issue of Ahern&#8217;s proposed visit to the United States of America (at the taxpayers&#8217; expense, again) to read a prepared paper to Congress.</p>
<p>As a disgraced former PM, he should send an apology to all the Irish people in the USA that he has let down by his crass behaviour and, if indeed any address is really necessary, or of value to the economy of Ireland , allow a TD of stature and probity to carry out the address. </p>
<p>As for evading his responsibilities as a public servant, and not having Mahon on his back into old age, like his mentor, the late unlamented Don Charleone of Abbeville, that is up to HIM, not Mahon. </p>
<p>Just tell them the truth; retire and watch football over a pint of imported English beer. Maybe take a part time job with the beards &amp; sandals in the Movement.</p>
<p>But, Bertie, whatever you decide to do, don&#8217;t even begin to think of going to the EU. </p>
<p>They have enough problems of their own, with MEP&#8217;s fiddling their expenses; trade unions supporters disrupting the economy &amp; driving up inflation; and the likes of Marylou (SF) &#8211; as an apologist for the murderous activities of her associates in the IRA.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Maguire</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2008/04/the-king-is-dead-long-live-the/comment-page-1/#comment-63932</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Maguire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 20:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps - with a lot of ground-work from Ahern. 

I think it would be a no-brainer if someone of the Ahern clan was there to move in - like what happened upon the death of Brian Lenihan Sr. with his namesake son.

Even if there was an obvious heir in the constituency - with neither Brady nor Fitzpatrick can be described as. I do think that&#039;s what Royston was supposed to be back in 2004 but that didn&#039;t work.

Now it has to be asked - how much of the vote in DC is his, and how much is Fianna Fáil&#039;s... also, can Ahern talk those who vote for him alone into trusting someone else or get his magic to rub off on a successor in a short space of time?

They might feel that rather than trying to rush a successor through the ranks - and ramming that down DC&#039;s throat - it might be better to spend the next 2 years or so bumping up the profile of someone slowly and ingraining them in the constituency&#039;s subconscious by having them at Bertie&#039;s arm at every event.

I think the real motivating factor will be whether Bertie has somewhere to go next or not - I&#039;m sure he&#039;s not short of job offers but what he&#039;ll be looking for is the right one, not the first one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps &#8211; with a lot of ground-work from Ahern. </p>
<p>I think it would be a no-brainer if someone of the Ahern clan was there to move in &#8211; like what happened upon the death of Brian Lenihan Sr. with his namesake son.</p>
<p>Even if there was an obvious heir in the constituency &#8211; with neither Brady nor Fitzpatrick can be described as. I do think that&#8217;s what Royston was supposed to be back in 2004 but that didn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>Now it has to be asked &#8211; how much of the vote in DC is his, and how much is Fianna Fáil&#8217;s&#8230; also, can Ahern talk those who vote for him alone into trusting someone else or get his magic to rub off on a successor in a short space of time?</p>
<p>They might feel that rather than trying to rush a successor through the ranks &#8211; and ramming that down DC&#8217;s throat &#8211; it might be better to spend the next 2 years or so bumping up the profile of someone slowly and ingraining them in the constituency&#8217;s subconscious by having them at Bertie&#8217;s arm at every event.</p>
<p>I think the real motivating factor will be whether Bertie has somewhere to go next or not &#8211; I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;s not short of job offers but what he&#8217;ll be looking for is the right one, not the first one.</p>
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		<title>By: Cian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but a by-election in DC may well lead to an FF seat. Cllr MAry Fitzpatrick would have to get the FF nod (not with St Luke&#039;s blessing I suppose but there you go) and would look to take enough votes from Bertie to win - his machine would look churlish to swizzle her twice. Then contest as FF incumbent in the Cabra part of the constituency and let Cyrpian to his own devices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but a by-election in DC may well lead to an FF seat. Cllr MAry Fitzpatrick would have to get the FF nod (not with St Luke&#8217;s blessing I suppose but there you go) and would look to take enough votes from Bertie to win &#8211; his machine would look churlish to swizzle her twice. Then contest as FF incumbent in the Cabra part of the constituency and let Cyrpian to his own devices.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Maguire</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2008/04/the-king-is-dead-long-live-the/comment-page-1/#comment-63927</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Maguire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No indication on what he&#039;s going to do in DC - assuming he is as loyal to the party as he suggests I&#039;d wager he wouldn&#039;t quit the seat too quickly as it would almost certainly end in a FF loss.

What he will most likely do is spend the time necessary to pass the torch of St. Lukes onto someone else and ensure that come the next election it will be a safe two seats for FF as it was before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No indication on what he&#8217;s going to do in DC &#8211; assuming he is as loyal to the party as he suggests I&#8217;d wager he wouldn&#8217;t quit the seat too quickly as it would almost certainly end in a FF loss.</p>
<p>What he will most likely do is spend the time necessary to pass the torch of St. Lukes onto someone else and ensure that come the next election it will be a safe two seats for FF as it was before.</p>
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		<title>By: Cian</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2008/04/the-king-is-dead-long-live-the/comment-page-1/#comment-63925</link>
		<dc:creator>Cian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>by the way, are we clear on whether he will be standing down as a TD? Will we have a DC by-election soon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>by the way, are we clear on whether he will be standing down as a TD? Will we have a DC by-election soon?</p>
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		<title>By: Irish Election &#187; It was the net wat done it*</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2008/04/the-king-is-dead-long-live-the/comment-page-1/#comment-63924</link>
		<dc:creator>Irish Election &#187; It was the net wat done it*</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wasn&#8217;t really. Nor the entire media for that matter. It has been de rigeur for defenders of an Taoiseach in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wasn&#8217;t really. Nor the entire media for that matter. It has been de rigeur for defenders of an Taoiseach in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cian</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2008/04/the-king-is-dead-long-live-the/comment-page-1/#comment-63922</link>
		<dc:creator>Cian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i find that to be the disconnect myself and of course that is not to say that some do not have an agenda, the Mail were clear that they wanted a big scalp to claim credit and boost sales but there is a mish-mash of principles. The hounding of a decent man worked with Vincent Browne at the election but it dragged and required more and more clarification - that is what was reported. Give a man rope.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i find that to be the disconnect myself and of course that is not to say that some do not have an agenda, the Mail were clear that they wanted a big scalp to claim credit and boost sales but there is a mish-mash of principles. The hounding of a decent man worked with Vincent Browne at the election but it dragged and required more and more clarification &#8211; that is what was reported. Give a man rope&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Maguire</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2008/04/the-king-is-dead-long-live-the/comment-page-1/#comment-63921</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Maguire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what I find hilarious - those most loyal to Ahern, such as Eoghan Harris, aren&#039;t just attacking those in the media who actively oppose Ahern but attacking those in the media that relayed the facts of the matter objectively.

It&#039;s not the media&#039;s fault that there are inconsistencies and it&#039;s their job to report on them - saying that the media is to blame for Ahern&#039;s troubles is like saying a history book is to blame for Hitler&#039;s hatred of the Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what I find hilarious &#8211; those most loyal to Ahern, such as Eoghan Harris, aren&#8217;t just attacking those in the media who actively oppose Ahern but attacking those in the media that relayed the facts of the matter objectively.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the media&#8217;s fault that there are inconsistencies and it&#8217;s their job to report on them &#8211; saying that the media is to blame for Ahern&#8217;s troubles is like saying a history book is to blame for Hitler&#8217;s hatred of the Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: Cian</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2008/04/the-king-is-dead-long-live-the/comment-page-1/#comment-63920</link>
		<dc:creator>Cian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We now have some movement on the leadership front. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2008/0402/breaking49.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Brian Lenhian&lt;/a&gt; has ruled himself out - so no guessing who wants the top job after 2012 then.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0402/ahernbreax1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hanafin&lt;/a&gt; refuses to speculate, Ill give her a hint: Dont bother.

@Adam and Andrew I think that blaming the media is a little bit rich. There were three versions presented at different times to explain the money. It was within his gift to get the full explanation out at the start in private and be done with it. Media that dont pull the threads are of little use (unless your Mugabe).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We now have some movement on the leadership front. <a href="http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2008/0402/breaking49.htm" rel="nofollow">Brian Lenhian</a> has ruled himself out &#8211; so no guessing who wants the top job after 2012 then.<br />
<a href="http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0402/ahernbreax1.html" rel="nofollow">Hanafin</a> refuses to speculate, Ill give her a hint: Dont bother.</p>
<p>@Adam and Andrew I think that blaming the media is a little bit rich. There were three versions presented at different times to explain the money. It was within his gift to get the full explanation out at the start in private and be done with it. Media that dont pull the threads are of little use (unless your Mugabe).</p>
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		<title>By: SOS</title>
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		<dc:creator>SOS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It matters not who takes over as leader of FF, so long as he, or she, pledges, unequivocally, the there is to be an end to Political Donations - of any hue. 

The whole sorry mess that is Irish politics had its roots in the &quot;Bung&quot;.

Haughey; Lawlor; Burke; Ellis - &amp; god knows how many others - have gone criminal as a consequence of the greed of Property Speculators, and those who would try to corrupt in order to obtain planning permissions and other favours.

There will never be an end to corruption until the cancer of the &quot;Bung&quot; is excised.

Apart from the morality of the entire, it would save the overburdened taxpayers of Ireland a fortune by ending the waste on the bloated legal fees that keep the wheels of the endless Tribunals turning.

The politician who can stand up &amp; say that Political Bungs are to end, should win the next election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It matters not who takes over as leader of FF, so long as he, or she, pledges, unequivocally, the there is to be an end to Political Donations &#8211; of any hue. </p>
<p>The whole sorry mess that is Irish politics had its roots in the &#8220;Bung&#8221;.</p>
<p>Haughey; Lawlor; Burke; Ellis &#8211; &amp; god knows how many others &#8211; have gone criminal as a consequence of the greed of Property Speculators, and those who would try to corrupt in order to obtain planning permissions and other favours.</p>
<p>There will never be an end to corruption until the cancer of the &#8220;Bung&#8221; is excised.</p>
<p>Apart from the morality of the entire, it would save the overburdened taxpayers of Ireland a fortune by ending the waste on the bloated legal fees that keep the wheels of the endless Tribunals turning.</p>
<p>The politician who can stand up &amp; say that Political Bungs are to end, should win the next election.</p>
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