Resign Mr Ahern
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Bertie Ahern accepted huge cash donations. He lied to the Irish people about the nature of those donations in an interview on national television. He took over two years to tell the tribunal there were foreign exchange transactions. He had motive, reason and opportunity to accept large bribes.
He must resign, now. Join this group if you feel the same… CAN WE MAKE IT TO 10,000?
In case you are not aware, here are the sums involved:
Bank loan, £19,115.97, December 23, 1993
First lodgment, £22,500, December 30, 1993
Second lodgment, £30,000, April 25, 1994
Third lodgment, £20,000, August 8, 1994
Fourth lodgment, £24,838.49, October 11, 1994
Fifth lodgment, £28,772.90, December 5, 1994
Sixth lodgment, £50,000, June 15, 1995
Seventh lodgment of £19,142.92 December 1, 1995In the interview with Brian Dobson, Ahern clearly stated several times that he received money only from “close friends”. He did not.
Here are his quotes, and why a year later they are wrong.
Ahern: “So my life wasn’t being investigated, my marriage wasn’t being investigated, what I gave to the children wasn’t being investigated. It was – the planning tribunals are about corruption, eh, about people doing wrongdoing and I just wanted to clear my name to show that and it was right that I would have to give all these details. And I did give them.”
Wrong. His life was being investigated. The allegation is that Ahern received large cash sums. The Tribunal is investigating his accounts on foot of this. Ahern made cash lodgments in the relevant timeframe, December 1993 to August 1994 of £72,500. This was over twice his salary. Cash lodgments. A lodgment of £22,500 in December 1993, a lodgment of £30,000 in April 1994 and a lodgment of £20,000 cash was made into the account of his daughters in August 1994. It is an investigation of his life in 1993, 1994, and 1995.
Ahern did not give “all these details”. It took him over two years to tell to the Tribunal there were foreign exchange transactions.
Ahern: “The money was raised, eh, by close friends, people who were close to me for most of my life. They are not political friends, they are personal friends and they are long-standing friends.”
Wrong. Padraic O’Connor was not a close friend. He was not close to him for most of his life. He is not a personal friend. He is not a long-standing friend. He is not friends with Bertie Ahern. Can we be any clearer here? O’Connor believed he was making a political donation – but Richardson took the money and gave it to Ahern. There is a direct conflict, contrary to the views of Willie O’Dea.
Ahern: “The first one, Christmas week in 1993, my solicitor, the late Gerry Brennan, who had been a long friend of mine, he had asked friends of mine, unknown to me, and, eh, unsolicited by me, to make a contribution to help me because he knew of my financial state at the time.”
Wrong. Brennan knew how much his legal fees were because Brennan was the man charging him those fees. If Brennan knew Ahern’s financial state at the time (£50,000 in cash allegedly saved since 1987) then he would never have needed to do the whip-round. Secondly, Ahern paid his legal fees on December 23 via an AIB loan. He received the donation the following week from Gerry Brennan, not Des Richardson, as Willie O’Dea alleged.
Ahern: “So then unknown to me he went to personal friends of mine, Paddy Reilly, Des Richardson, Pádraig O’Connor, Jim Nugent, David McKenna, Fintan Gunne, who is deceased, Mick Collins, Charlie Chawke, all personal friends of mine.”
Wrong. Again. Padraic O’Connor was not a personal friend. Padraic O’Connor was not a personal friend. Clear?
Ahern: “And, em, that I would pay that back in, in full and at another date when I could.”
Wrong. Ahern already had the money to pay them back. He had £50,000 saved by this time he alleged, and he had already paid his legal bills by way of an unsecured loan from AIB.
Ahern: “All but one paid 5,000 and one paid 2½. Em, eh, they had given me that, they were all friends and I was beholden to none of them or them to me for any political issues, they were people who were well known to be very close to me.”
Wrong. Strike three. Padraic O’Connor was not close to Ahern. Padraic O’Connor was not friends with Ahern. Clear now?
Ahern: “I, I, would say I told them very clearly that I wouldn’t accept it on any other terms and that has always been the basis, and a loan with interest because I said Brian, that I wouldn’t be able to pay it back for a time but that I would pay it and pay it with interest. There was no written agreement they were friends.”
Wrong. Strike four. O’Connor has said he was never told it was a loan. He says it was a political donation. Ahern never told O’Connor he would pay him back. They were not friends. Secondly, Ahern says he wouldn’t “be able” to pay it back for a time. Yet within four months he lodged £30,000 cash. Within eight months he had lodged £50,000 cash. This is more than enough to pay them back.
Ahern: “I haven’t paid, em, the money because they refused to take it, I think they will now because they see the difficulty but I offered a number of times to repay it.”
Wrong. Padraic O’Connor never refused to take it because he never saw it as a loan. He saw it as a political donation.
Ahern: “it’s a debt that I’ll pay the interest on, and they all accept that.”
Wrong. Again. O’Connor does not accept that.
Ahern: “the person who was deemed to have paid most of this actually paid £2,500″
Wrong. The O’Connor donation was £5,000.
Ahern: “I would not have been able to pay it until about 1999 or 2000″
Wrong. In 1994 alone Ahern lodged £50,000 into an SSA. This was more than enough to pay them back.
Ahern: “I also had to pay off other bills, so the money I’d saved (50k) was gone”
Wrong. How could the money be gone when he lodged in April and August of 1994? What bills did he have to pay?
Ahern: “But they were long-standing, close, political and personal friends of mine and mainly personal friends. And on the basis that I would pay back the money, it wasn’t big money either, quite frankly, and that they were under that understanding, now I had difficulty paying it back afterwards.”
Wrong. Padraic O’Connor was not a long-standing, close, political or personal friend. O’Connor heard nothing of being paid back. Ahern would have no difficulty paying it back.
Ahern: “I didn’t see them as any risk other than friends at a time of need when they knew I was in difficulty.”
Wrong. Padraic O’Connor was not his friend, and Ahern was not in difficulty going on his bank accounts.
Ahern: “contributions, em, from friends who had a clear understanding they would be paid back.”
Wrong. How many times… Padraic O’Connor was not his friend. There was no understanding his donation would be paid back.
Ahern: “And these were, eh, close friends, they were not big business interests that were removed from me, they were people that I saw, if not on a weekly basis on a very, very regular basis”
Wrong. Padraic O’Connor was not a close friend. He did not see Ahern on a regular basis at all.
Ahern: “I had to pay my legal fees, which I did take a loan out, they helped me to clear out quicker and then I had to go through, but I did it at that particular time. I didn’t continue with, I didn’t do it again.”
Wrong. The legal fees were indeed paid by a loan, but the loan was not cleared until 1996. Indeed, Ahern had a moratorium on repayments until mid 1995. He started paying the loan back at that time, and had it repaid within 7 months. How can he say it was paid off quicker as a result of donations in 1993 is beyond me.
Ahern: “I think my friends would realise that if they had accepted back the money when I offered it, it would have been easier for me now. But they thought they were being helpful to me.”
Wrong. He never offered the money back to Padraic O’Connor. O’Connor believed he was making a political donation. Clear yet?
Ahern: “I’m giving you precisely how I got the money, from close friends, eh, people who cared about me.”
Wrong. Padraic O’Connor did not care about Ahern. He was not a close friend.
Mr Ahern’s tearful interview with Ahern was a complete misrepresentation of the facts.
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Ahern’s interview with Dobson was a farce. Dobson seemed in awe of this weakling & failed to land even one punch.
What he needed was a Jeremy Paxman or a Jon Snow – or, perhaps, John Fortune.
Not a nice guy.
And what about all the dollars in the Fianna Fail Safe Deposit Box in the Bank of Ireland vaults – with the lethal poisons and the Gold Bars.
Was that the source of Bertie’s dollars?
Do they have Exchange Control clearance?
Are they registered Bullion Brokers?
Their TD might be a chemist, but poisons?
Dobson missed the whole thing about saving the 50k but somehow needing a digout…oh wait Ahern said he spend all the savings… oh but he didn’t.
SOS where you getting this poison thing from. never heard anything like that.
One bit of news today I think is that it sounds like Bertie is cutting Des Richardson loose, at least in terms the messy details that Des left in his wake –
“The way it was done is not the way I would do it. It was done between the two of them [Mr Richardson and Mr O'Connor],” Mr Ahern added.
Simon,
I have, on three occasions, seen the contents of the boxes in the Bank of Ireland Vaults.
A FF back-bencher TD has custodianship of 2 adjacent boxes.
They contain, inter alia, millions of high denomination US Dollars; Gold Bars; and about 6 bottles, with the standard warning for Dangerous Poisons – a Skull & Cross Bones – imprinted on each bottle – the coloured ribbed variety one finds in pharmacies.
The custodian calls to the vaults on a very regular basis. This can be easily verified, by Mahon, by reference to the Visitors’ Book.
I reported this to the Gardai & to the Revenue Commissioners & I have no idea whether they took any action.
Bearing in mind that it occurred during the reign of Charlie Haughey, who could be “A Dangerous Adversary”, it might have been put on the back burner – or completely disregarded.
After all they knew about Des Traynor & Ansbacher and did nothing until Ben Dunne tried to imitate a bird.
Haughey also had the “Heavy Gang” within the Gardai to deal with awkward opponents.
In addition, he seemed to have a cosy relationship with the Revenue, staffed as it was, at the highest level at that time, by relations of FF TDs.
Mahon should be checking this and asking if FF are Licensed Bullion Dealers & permitted to hold Foreign currency of such immensity.
I trust, Simon, that this removes any doubts you may have?
Simon,
You asked a question about the “Poison Thing”.
I answered and you go silent!
Is there no one out there who cares about FF having Bottles of lethal poisons; Gold Bars & millions of US Dollars – in a Bank of Ireland Safe Depository, under the custodianship of a sitting Fianna Fail TD?
A Conspiracy Theorist might take the view that this is a SLUSH FUND – either for FF to grease palms; remove unwanted opponents; pay for Bertie’s divorce or entertaining Charlie’s Mistress in his £200+ Charvet shirts.
Or he might take an alternative view that it was funds couriered from IRA Fund Raisers in the USA.
It’s Open Day for an in depth discussion and some intelligent input from readers of this Blog.
Whatever develops, it should not be buried in an “For-Filing” Basket, however much FF would like to have it buried.
There are Laws regarding the possession of Poisons; Gold Bars & Foreign Exchange.
Fianna Fail TD’s made these laws – they should respect them.
YES/NO?????
It is a pretty amazing claim SOS. One that I personnel would need more proof of then an annoyamous internet claim. But if you have any proof or indeed you happen to be a person in real life who would likely to have access to these boxes at some point for example a former BOI employee in that branch I would be glad to see your proof. Feel free to email me on thedossingtimes at gmail.com.
Also I thought Ben Dunne got the shirts.
Simon,
Let me have a secure telephone number & I will give you what I know. Two of my assistants saw the evidence.