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		<title>By: Dublin Opinion &#183; GHOSTS TOWNS OF LEITRIM AND LONGFORD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dublin Opinion &#183; GHOSTS TOWNS OF LEITRIM AND LONGFORD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post arose out of a discussion over on Irish Election with Simon on Michael Taft&#8217;s C&#8217;mon Ye Know-Nothings, (18 September 2007). Fianna Fáil has produced an abundance of tax incentives to aid the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] post arose out of a discussion over on Irish Election with Simon on Michael Taft&#8217;s C&#8217;mon Ye Know-Nothings, (18 September 2007). Fianna Fáil has produced an abundance of tax incentives to aid the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: GOVERNMENT TAX INCENTIVES AND HOUSING IN LEITRIM &#38; LONGFORD &#124; Irish Election</title>
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		<dc:creator>GOVERNMENT TAX INCENTIVES AND HOUSING IN LEITRIM &#38; LONGFORD &#124; Irish Election</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post arose out of a discussion with Simon on Michael Taft&#8217;s C&#8217;mon Ye Know-Nothings, (18 September 2007). Fianna Fáil has produced an abundance of tax incentives to aid the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] post arose out of a discussion with Simon on Michael Taft&#8217;s C&#8217;mon Ye Know-Nothings, (18 September 2007). Fianna Fáil has produced an abundance of tax incentives to aid the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Conor McCabe</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2007/09/cmon-ye-know-nothings/comment-page-1/#comment-56121</link>
		<dc:creator>Conor McCabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s the area based construction tax incentives for the Shannon area as well - mainly for people living 12km of the Shannon. Introduced in last year&#039;s budget. According to Goodbody Economic Consultants, “These tax costs [to the exchequer] are high relative to the outputs achieved. For example, the present value of tax costs represent up to 43% of the building costs associated with developments undertaken as part of the schemes”.

As I said, the original article was finfacts. But give me a week of research and I&#039;ll have something a bit more substantial. I usually trust www.finfacts.ie on these things, but sure no harm to double-check.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s the area based construction tax incentives for the Shannon area as well &#8211; mainly for people living 12km of the Shannon. Introduced in last year&#8217;s budget. According to Goodbody Economic Consultants, “These tax costs [to the exchequer] are high relative to the outputs achieved. For example, the present value of tax costs represent up to 43% of the building costs associated with developments undertaken as part of the schemes”.</p>
<p>As I said, the original article was finfacts. But give me a week of research and I&#8217;ll have something a bit more substantial. I usually trust <a href="http://www.finfacts.ie" rel="nofollow">http://www.finfacts.ie</a> on these things, but sure no harm to double-check.</p>
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		<title>By: Conor McCabe</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2007/09/cmon-ye-know-nothings/comment-page-1/#comment-56119</link>
		<dc:creator>Conor McCabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m no tax expert, and the article is finfact&#039;s, not mine. But, second-home buyers for investment could get an exemption from paying VAT as a lump sum. Also, i came across this from KPMG.  http://www.kpmg.ie/industries/construct/overview/prop_taxes_taxshelters.html

Tax Shelters for Property Investors

Changes in tax legislation over the past number of years has resulted in the phasing out of the various tax shelters for Property Investors. Of the remaining schemes, a critical condition is that expenditure must be incurred by the relevant date for the particular scheme in order for the relief to apply. KPMG can assist in establishing what this effectively means for a particular project in terms of the maximum amount qualifying for the relief.

    * Relief for Rented Residential Accommodation -“Section 23 Type” Relief

      Section 23-type relief provides relief in respect of capital expenditure incurred on the construction, refurbishment or conversion of rented residential accommodation. The relief is granted by way of a deduction against Case V income.

      Any rental loss created as a result of the deduction may be offset against other Irish rental income of the taxpayer in the current or subsequent periods. This relief applies where the conditions for “qualifying premises” let under a “qualifying lease” are met.

    * Section 50 relief – Student Accommodation

      Section 50 relief operates in a similar manner to the relief for rented residential accommodation above. However, Section 50 relief specifically relates to qualifying student accommodation property transactions. It is important to note that there are a number of complex conditions to be met in order for the relief to apply. Equally, rules apply in calculating the amount of expenditure, which qualifies for this relief.

    * Other reliefs available include those available under the following schemes:

      Rural Renewal Scheme 1999 – incentives for property development in the upper Shannon region. It will apply to all of counties Leitrim and Longford, as well as certain areas in Cavan, Roscommon and Sligo. Available, subject to certain restrictions and conditions, until 31 July 2008.

      Urban Renewal Scheme 1999 – incentive for property development in areas, as approved by the Minister for the Environment, selected from integrated area plans drawn up by local authorities. Available, subject to certain restrictions and conditions, until 31 July 2008.

      Living Over the Shop Scheme 2001 – incentive for the development of vacant spaces over commercial premises in Dublin, Cork, Waterford, Galway and Limerick. It applies to expenditure on certain buildings, which front on to a “qualifying street” in the above cities, as designated by local government and the Minister for the Environment. Available, subject to certain restrictions and conditions, until 31 July 2008.

      Town Renewal Scheme 2000 – incentive for the redevelopment of small and medium sized towns (i.e. populations between 500 and 6,000). The scheme relates to the development of industrial, commercial and residential property in any of the 101 approved town renewal plans submitted to the Department of Environment and Local Government. Available, subject to certain restrictions and conditions, until 31 July 2008.

      Multi-Storey Car Parks – incentive for the development of car parks consisting of two or more storeys. Available, subject to certain restrictions and conditions, until 31 July 2008.

      Park and Ride Facilities – Incentive for development of qualifying facilities and associated residential and commercial premises. Available, subject to certain restrictions and conditions, until 31 July 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m no tax expert, and the article is finfact&#8217;s, not mine. But, second-home buyers for investment could get an exemption from paying VAT as a lump sum. Also, i came across this from KPMG.  <a href="http://www.kpmg.ie/industries/construct/overview/prop_taxes_taxshelters.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.kpmg.ie/industries/construct/overview/prop_taxes_taxshelters.html</a></p>
<p>Tax Shelters for Property Investors</p>
<p>Changes in tax legislation over the past number of years has resulted in the phasing out of the various tax shelters for Property Investors. Of the remaining schemes, a critical condition is that expenditure must be incurred by the relevant date for the particular scheme in order for the relief to apply. KPMG can assist in establishing what this effectively means for a particular project in terms of the maximum amount qualifying for the relief.</p>
<p>    * Relief for Rented Residential Accommodation -“Section 23 Type” Relief</p>
<p>      Section 23-type relief provides relief in respect of capital expenditure incurred on the construction, refurbishment or conversion of rented residential accommodation. The relief is granted by way of a deduction against Case V income.</p>
<p>      Any rental loss created as a result of the deduction may be offset against other Irish rental income of the taxpayer in the current or subsequent periods. This relief applies where the conditions for “qualifying premises” let under a “qualifying lease” are met.</p>
<p>    * Section 50 relief – Student Accommodation</p>
<p>      Section 50 relief operates in a similar manner to the relief for rented residential accommodation above. However, Section 50 relief specifically relates to qualifying student accommodation property transactions. It is important to note that there are a number of complex conditions to be met in order for the relief to apply. Equally, rules apply in calculating the amount of expenditure, which qualifies for this relief.</p>
<p>    * Other reliefs available include those available under the following schemes:</p>
<p>      Rural Renewal Scheme 1999 – incentives for property development in the upper Shannon region. It will apply to all of counties Leitrim and Longford, as well as certain areas in Cavan, Roscommon and Sligo. Available, subject to certain restrictions and conditions, until 31 July 2008.</p>
<p>      Urban Renewal Scheme 1999 – incentive for property development in areas, as approved by the Minister for the Environment, selected from integrated area plans drawn up by local authorities. Available, subject to certain restrictions and conditions, until 31 July 2008.</p>
<p>      Living Over the Shop Scheme 2001 – incentive for the development of vacant spaces over commercial premises in Dublin, Cork, Waterford, Galway and Limerick. It applies to expenditure on certain buildings, which front on to a “qualifying street” in the above cities, as designated by local government and the Minister for the Environment. Available, subject to certain restrictions and conditions, until 31 July 2008.</p>
<p>      Town Renewal Scheme 2000 – incentive for the redevelopment of small and medium sized towns (i.e. populations between 500 and 6,000). The scheme relates to the development of industrial, commercial and residential property in any of the 101 approved town renewal plans submitted to the Department of Environment and Local Government. Available, subject to certain restrictions and conditions, until 31 July 2008.</p>
<p>      Multi-Storey Car Parks – incentive for the development of car parks consisting of two or more storeys. Available, subject to certain restrictions and conditions, until 31 July 2008.</p>
<p>      Park and Ride Facilities – Incentive for development of qualifying facilities and associated residential and commercial premises. Available, subject to certain restrictions and conditions, until 31 July 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2007/09/cmon-ye-know-nothings/comment-page-1/#comment-56106</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Capital gains would apply to industry as well as construction. But what tax incentive schemes are you talking about for domestic construction? Write off&#039;s for people&#039;s morgages?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capital gains would apply to industry as well as construction. But what tax incentive schemes are you talking about for domestic construction? Write off&#8217;s for people&#8217;s morgages?</p>
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		<title>By: Conor McCabe</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2007/09/cmon-ye-know-nothings/comment-page-1/#comment-56103</link>
		<dc:creator>Conor McCabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean, you&#039;re right, Simon. some schemes are worthwhile and, indeed, necessary. But, when it turns into the main focus of government policy, that&#039;s when alarms bells should be ringing - especially when you have full public knowledge of FF&#039;s links with the construction industry. These links have allowed one sector of the business community full access to government - to the detriment of all others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean, you&#8217;re right, Simon. some schemes are worthwhile and, indeed, necessary. But, when it turns into the main focus of government policy, that&#8217;s when alarms bells should be ringing &#8211; especially when you have full public knowledge of FF&#8217;s links with the construction industry. These links have allowed one sector of the business community full access to government &#8211; to the detriment of all others.</p>
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		<title>By: Conor McCabe</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2007/09/cmon-ye-know-nothings/comment-page-1/#comment-56102</link>
		<dc:creator>Conor McCabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From our good friends at www.finfact.ie - dated 6 June 2007

Venture capital investment in Irish companies in 2006 amounted to just €192 million invested in 52 enterprises compared with Irish investors putting €11 billion in commercial property - €3 billion of this was spent on domestic deals.

While some lollipops have been offered to promote business start-ups in the export sector over the past decade, a halving of capital gains tax from 40% to 20% coupled with a massive extension of tax incentive schemes for domestic construction at a time when economic fundamentals were very strong, made property the default investment and the riskier export sector was just frozen out.

Accountancy firms soon found that producing business plans for start-ups was a mugs’ game compared with getting involved in property investment.

Full article here:
http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_1010263.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From our good friends at <a href="http://www.finfact.ie" rel="nofollow">http://www.finfact.ie</a> &#8211; dated 6 June 2007</p>
<p>Venture capital investment in Irish companies in 2006 amounted to just €192 million invested in 52 enterprises compared with Irish investors putting €11 billion in commercial property &#8211; €3 billion of this was spent on domestic deals.</p>
<p>While some lollipops have been offered to promote business start-ups in the export sector over the past decade, a halving of capital gains tax from 40% to 20% coupled with a massive extension of tax incentive schemes for domestic construction at a time when economic fundamentals were very strong, made property the default investment and the riskier export sector was just frozen out.</p>
<p>Accountancy firms soon found that producing business plans for start-ups was a mugs’ game compared with getting involved in property investment.</p>
<p>Full article here:<br />
<a href="http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_1010263.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_1010263.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2007/09/cmon-ye-know-nothings/comment-page-1/#comment-56101</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the Incentives have been positive such student housing has been highly successful. Especially in Limerick. However I don&#039;t know much of the other housing subsidies. What else is there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the Incentives have been positive such student housing has been highly successful. Especially in Limerick. However I don&#8217;t know much of the other housing subsidies. What else is there?</p>
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		<title>By: Conor McCabe</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2007/09/cmon-ye-know-nothings/comment-page-1/#comment-56100</link>
		<dc:creator>Conor McCabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mind you, the Irish view of housing as a safe bet has gotten a bit of a kick in the goolies recently. Billions upon billions of euros later as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mind you, the Irish view of housing as a safe bet has gotten a bit of a kick in the goolies recently. Billions upon billions of euros later as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Conor McCabe</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2007/09/cmon-ye-know-nothings/comment-page-1/#comment-56099</link>
		<dc:creator>Conor McCabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it seems that the Irish &#039;investor&#039; invests in property - either here or abroad. Brian cowen calls them Ireland&#039;s entrepreneurs - he&#039;d be better off giving true entrepreneurs a helping hand, rather than just builders and property speculators. 

The point I&#039;d like to make, though, is that rampant speculation in property and housing has been socially managed, through government incentives and tax breaks. It is not the result of some spontaneous overflowing of powerful emotion. Add to that the &#039;common sense&#039; view of property and housing as a &#039;safe bet&#039;, along with banks flushed with easy credit for ridiculous mortgages, and you&#039;ve got a situation - socially managed as well - that should never have been allowed to occur.

To go back to Michael&#039;s point, though. We do need to start investing in jobs, not just renting them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it seems that the Irish &#8216;investor&#8217; invests in property &#8211; either here or abroad. Brian cowen calls them Ireland&#8217;s entrepreneurs &#8211; he&#8217;d be better off giving true entrepreneurs a helping hand, rather than just builders and property speculators. </p>
<p>The point I&#8217;d like to make, though, is that rampant speculation in property and housing has been socially managed, through government incentives and tax breaks. It is not the result of some spontaneous overflowing of powerful emotion. Add to that the &#8216;common sense&#8217; view of property and housing as a &#8216;safe bet&#8217;, along with banks flushed with easy credit for ridiculous mortgages, and you&#8217;ve got a situation &#8211; socially managed as well &#8211; that should never have been allowed to occur.</p>
<p>To go back to Michael&#8217;s point, though. We do need to start investing in jobs, not just renting them.</p>
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