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]]> By: Conor McCabe http://www.irishelection.com/2007/09/class-in-ireland-an-immodest-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-55935 Conor McCabe Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:06:38 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/09/class-in-ireland-an-immodest-proposal/#comment-55935 I remember that! Loved spaced as well. classic stuff. I remember that! Loved spaced as well. classic stuff.

]]> By: Simon http://www.irishelection.com/2007/09/class-in-ireland-an-immodest-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-55933 Simon Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:59:42 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/09/class-in-ireland-an-immodest-proposal/#comment-55933 Gramsci was a dog that was earned by a class warrior in spaced. He was trained by the guy to attack people with money. Then one day the class warrior won money on a scratch card and the dog killed him. Man I missed spaced :( Gramsci was a dog that was earned by a class warrior in spaced. He was trained by the guy to attack people with money. Then one day the class warrior won money on a scratch card and the dog killed him.

Man I missed spaced :(

]]> By: Conor McCabe http://www.irishelection.com/2007/09/class-in-ireland-an-immodest-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-55932 Conor McCabe Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:12:00 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/09/class-in-ireland-an-immodest-proposal/#comment-55932 Cheers Simon. Yeah, there's a few of us involved with the journal, so sure see what happens. We'll give it a shot, anyway. And the working class mantra is staying. Not very consumer-friendly i know :-) for reasons why people continue to vote FF when it is patently against their own interest, try this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_hegemony thanks again for the comments. Always appreciated. Cheers Simon. Yeah, there’s a few of us involved with the journal, so sure see what happens. We’ll give it a shot, anyway. And the working class mantra is staying. Not very consumer-friendly i know :-) for reasons why people continue to vote FF when it is patently against their own interest, try this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_hegemony

thanks again for the comments. Always appreciated.

]]> By: Simon http://www.irishelection.com/2007/09/class-in-ireland-an-immodest-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-55930 Simon Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:02:35 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/09/class-in-ireland-an-immodest-proposal/#comment-55930 First off on the definition that workers can't control their workplace. They can. In most industries where professionals work they have a large amount of knowledge. Take the computer program mentioned by your man. That person has vast amounts of knowledge and experience which can not be easily replicated by a company. In many firms many products rely on the knowledge of one or two people. Hence the employees have power as if the company does not treat them well they go get a job in another company. Which with the current celtic tiger is quiet an easy thing to do. Certainly compared to the 80s when you were lucky not to have a job. Thus the boom has lead to more worker power. In this country everyone has a vote and that is how the governments are formed. You say that a working class party is needed yet people have never voted substantially for those kinds of parties ever in Ireland. The simple fact of the matter is that people like their SUV's and chilled white wine as indicated by their increased popularity coupled together with the decrease in popularity of the left in this country. If people were disagreeing with what the government was doing would they return Fianna Fail time after time? People like Fianna Fail, vote fianna fail, use their say to vote Fianna Fail. Prices are going up in houses because consumers are willing to get bigger loans. The banks sell mortgages people buy them if people buy small mortgages the banks will sell them smaller mortgages. The rest of Europe lives in flats why do we insist on houses? You can't blame the upper class for that. That is people's choice to opt for the semi-d in Carlow. Anyway a tip if this idea of, that we are all working class is going to be the mantra of your new journal it will never work. I am not sure it will work anyway :) but the word working class needs to be changed it sounds like communist speak which few will touch you would need another word. Normal class maybe (but no one wants to be normal they want to be better then normal) You yourself on your blog have gone on about I think working class culture and no one sees it as such more as a problem. That's true change the word semantics and optics mean something. Look at the word republican. Could you use that word in Ireland to talk about a stance that is not Sinn Fein's? Good luck with the journal by the way will it be in blog form or something more? If it is anything like your usual stuff should be an excellent read (if not totally wrong ;) ) First off on the definition that workers can’t control their workplace. They can. In most industries where professionals work they have a large amount of knowledge. Take the computer program mentioned by your man. That person has vast amounts of knowledge and experience which can not be easily replicated by a company. In many firms many products rely on the knowledge of one or two people. Hence the employees have power as if the company does not treat them well they go get a job in another company. Which with the current celtic tiger is quiet an easy thing to do. Certainly compared to the 80s when you were lucky not to have a job. Thus the boom has lead to more worker power.

In this country everyone has a vote and that is how the governments are formed. You say that a working class party is needed yet people have never voted substantially for those kinds of parties ever in Ireland. The simple fact of the matter is that people like their SUV’s and chilled white wine as indicated by their increased popularity coupled together with the decrease in popularity of the left in this country. If people were disagreeing with what the government was doing would they return Fianna Fail time after time? People like Fianna Fail, vote fianna fail, use their say to vote Fianna Fail.

Prices are going up in houses because consumers are willing to get bigger loans. The banks sell mortgages people buy them if people buy small mortgages the banks will sell them smaller mortgages. The rest of Europe lives in flats why do we insist on houses? You can’t blame the upper class for that. That is people’s choice to opt for the semi-d in Carlow.

Anyway a tip if this idea of, that we are all working class is going to be the mantra of your new journal it will never work. I am not sure it will work anyway :) but the word working class needs to be changed it sounds like communist speak which few will touch you would need another word. Normal class maybe (but no one wants to be normal they want to be better then normal) You yourself on your blog have gone on about I think working class culture and no one sees it as such more as a problem. That’s true change the word semantics and optics mean something. Look at the word republican. Could you use that word in Ireland to talk about a stance that is not Sinn Fein’s?

Good luck with the journal by the way will it be in blog form or something more? If it is anything like your usual stuff should be an excellent read (if not totally wrong ;) )

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