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	<title>Comments on: Saying Slan to An Ghaeilge</title>
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		<title>By: irish Jer</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2007/07/saying-slan-to-an-ghaeilge/comment-page-1/#comment-70740</link>
		<dc:creator>irish Jer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only problem with the Irish language is that the method of teaching it is calcified. That saying I prefer broken irish to perfect english is what needs to be kept in mind. Lets teach people to speak it first. Once they can speak it they can then improve there grammar.
Also look at TG4 who made an impact with a little money and a lot of imagination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only problem with the Irish language is that the method of teaching it is calcified. That saying I prefer broken irish to perfect english is what needs to be kept in mind. Lets teach people to speak it first. Once they can speak it they can then improve there grammar.<br />
Also look at TG4 who made an impact with a little money and a lot of imagination.</p>
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		<title>By: Gombeen Man</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2007/07/saying-slan-to-an-ghaeilge/comment-page-1/#comment-70485</link>
		<dc:creator>Gombeen Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tax incentives for employing Irish speakers?  You mean discriminate against those who don&#039;t?  Your Irish language lobby has been doing that since the inception of the State, and it did&#039;t work then, and it won&#039;t now. 

http://www.gombeennation.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tax incentives for employing Irish speakers?  You mean discriminate against those who don&#8217;t?  Your Irish language lobby has been doing that since the inception of the State, and it did&#8217;t work then, and it won&#8217;t now. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.gombeennation.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.gombeennation.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Niall</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2007/07/saying-slan-to-an-ghaeilge/comment-page-1/#comment-53313</link>
		<dc:creator>Niall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the thing, Irish people are not taught Irish in school. There is no way you could study a language for 14 years without becoming fluent in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the thing, Irish people are not taught Irish in school. There is no way you could study a language for 14 years without becoming fluent in it.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mortell</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2007/07/saying-slan-to-an-ghaeilge/comment-page-1/#comment-53199</link>
		<dc:creator>John Mortell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to be a complete attention whore but my take on it (from around this time last year oddly enough) can be found here - http://www.johnmortell.com/2006/08/03/irish-language-rip/ - its pretty similar to what you were suggesting CJ but....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to be a complete attention whore but my take on it (from around this time last year oddly enough) can be found here &#8211; <a href="http://www.johnmortell.com/2006/08/03/irish-language-rip/" rel="nofollow">http://www.johnmortell.com/2006/08/03/irish-language-rip/</a> &#8211; its pretty similar to what you were suggesting CJ but&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnMac</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2007/07/saying-slan-to-an-ghaeilge/comment-page-1/#comment-53187</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the people in the Gaeltacht can&#039;t even be bothered to speak the language then it&#039;s time to roll back the investment in it (and the first saving should be the firing of Eamon Ó Cuív back to being a junior minister for Irish which is the most it deserves).  

The money wasted on making every student in the country learn the Irish language would be far better spend by making Irish optional and putting Computer programming on the Leaving cert again as optional.  I know which &quot;language&quot; will be most appealing to students and more in common usage in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the people in the Gaeltacht can&#8217;t even be bothered to speak the language then it&#8217;s time to roll back the investment in it (and the first saving should be the firing of Eamon Ó Cuív back to being a junior minister for Irish which is the most it deserves).  </p>
<p>The money wasted on making every student in the country learn the Irish language would be far better spend by making Irish optional and putting Computer programming on the Leaving cert again as optional.  I know which &#8220;language&#8221; will be most appealing to students and more in common usage in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Maguire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Maguire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The education system churns out people able to speak the language, but with no desire to&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s a fallacy - the education system generally churns out people who cannot speak the language at any competent level, and have no intention of learning how to do so.

In my opinion, the Government&#039;s approach to Irish needs to change dramatically, but making Gaelic an optional subject is not the right course of action at all.

The problem with Irish in schools is that it&#039;s taught as a subject rather than a language. It&#039;s all about memorising sentences, rules and structures rather than learning things in a fluid or natural way. From my own experience, having spent most of my life learning Irish and just 5 years learning German I was far more confident at conversing in the latter. 

Besides education the Government needs to get serious about Irish across the country, not just in Gaeltacht areas. They&#039;ve been gifted with a surge in interest for Gaelscoileanna and are squandering it - one gaelscoil in Cabra (Bertie&#039;s constituency) is only now getting a building, having worked out of mouldy pre-fabs for years. Another in Finglas is operating out of the back of an abandoned dance hall with no sign of a dedicated building at all.

They also need to encourage (but not force) private enterprise to become bilingual so Irish speakers can eventually do everything in their native tongue, rather than just Gov-related things.

Money talks - how about tax credits for private and public sector employees who complete a stringent Irish exam that asserts their fluency? Or small tax breaks for businesses for every Irish speaker they employ? Why not reward places like Tesco for their bilingual signage? 

And we should stop fooling outselves too - the census figure that 1.4 m (or so) people speak Irish on a daily basis is based on hot air. Just look at the question - it makes no reference to fluency level or depth and anyone who says &quot;pog mó hón&quot;, &quot;tá mé go maith&quot; or something basic like that can claim to speak Irish every day.
The census should have an extra section on Irish with more than one or two questions. It could ask them for their perceived fluency level, the situations they use Irish in, their qualification level in Irish etc. - not just &quot;do you speak Irish?&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The education system churns out people able to speak the language, but with no desire to</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s a fallacy &#8211; the education system generally churns out people who cannot speak the language at any competent level, and have no intention of learning how to do so.</p>
<p>In my opinion, the Government&#8217;s approach to Irish needs to change dramatically, but making Gaelic an optional subject is not the right course of action at all.</p>
<p>The problem with Irish in schools is that it&#8217;s taught as a subject rather than a language. It&#8217;s all about memorising sentences, rules and structures rather than learning things in a fluid or natural way. From my own experience, having spent most of my life learning Irish and just 5 years learning German I was far more confident at conversing in the latter. </p>
<p>Besides education the Government needs to get serious about Irish across the country, not just in Gaeltacht areas. They&#8217;ve been gifted with a surge in interest for Gaelscoileanna and are squandering it &#8211; one gaelscoil in Cabra (Bertie&#8217;s constituency) is only now getting a building, having worked out of mouldy pre-fabs for years. Another in Finglas is operating out of the back of an abandoned dance hall with no sign of a dedicated building at all.</p>
<p>They also need to encourage (but not force) private enterprise to become bilingual so Irish speakers can eventually do everything in their native tongue, rather than just Gov-related things.</p>
<p>Money talks &#8211; how about tax credits for private and public sector employees who complete a stringent Irish exam that asserts their fluency? Or small tax breaks for businesses for every Irish speaker they employ? Why not reward places like Tesco for their bilingual signage? </p>
<p>And we should stop fooling outselves too &#8211; the census figure that 1.4 m (or so) people speak Irish on a daily basis is based on hot air. Just look at the question &#8211; it makes no reference to fluency level or depth and anyone who says &#8220;pog mó hón&#8221;, &#8220;tá mé go maith&#8221; or something basic like that can claim to speak Irish every day.<br />
The census should have an extra section on Irish with more than one or two questions. It could ask them for their perceived fluency level, the situations they use Irish in, their qualification level in Irish etc. &#8211; not just &#8220;do you speak Irish?&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: MEP</title>
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		<dc:creator>MEP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of which underlines the tragic waste of funding that will result from Irish&#039;s new-found status as an EU official language. What benefit will translating EU legislation (for which there is no existent vocabulary in the case of many of the technical issues the EU legislates on) bring to anyone or anything apart from the handful of interpreters who will be employed as a result at great cost to the EU taxpayer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of which underlines the tragic waste of funding that will result from Irish&#8217;s new-found status as an EU official language. What benefit will translating EU legislation (for which there is no existent vocabulary in the case of many of the technical issues the EU legislates on) bring to anyone or anything apart from the handful of interpreters who will be employed as a result at great cost to the EU taxpayer?</p>
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