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	<title>Comments on: Why I&#8217;ll be Voting for Dr. Mark Garavan in NUI Seanad Elections</title>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was simon first here :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was simon first here <img src='http://www.irishelection.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dermot L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dermot L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting confusing with two Dermots and two Simons here with opposite viewpoints...even I don&#039;t know which one I am anymore...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting confusing with two Dermots and two Simons here with opposite viewpoints&#8230;even I don&#8217;t know which one I am anymore&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dermot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dermot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Mr Garavan has seen fit to associate himself with the muppets and wasters from Shell to Sea I do hope that the seanad electorate give Mr Garavan the same answer as the electorate in Mayo gave Mr. Cowley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Mr Garavan has seen fit to associate himself with the muppets and wasters from Shell to Sea I do hope that the seanad electorate give Mr Garavan the same answer as the electorate in Mayo gave Mr. Cowley.</p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There is a case for the upper house, with its limited oversight powers, to supply different views&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Different views that come from a small sub-set of the people why are the views of trinity graduates in more need of a voice of the views of the unemployed. And I seriously beg to differ that not wanting to get rid of the democratic deficit is a reason not to vote for someone. It is the bloody biggest reason not to vote for someone. Democracy is by the people not some of the people. Anyone who does not believe that very basic of principles will not get my vote. 

Are we the only EU country to still not give citizens equal voting rights?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There is a case for the upper house, with its limited oversight powers, to supply different views</p></blockquote>
<p>Different views that come from a small sub-set of the people why are the views of trinity graduates in more need of a voice of the views of the unemployed. And I seriously beg to differ that not wanting to get rid of the democratic deficit is a reason not to vote for someone. It is the bloody biggest reason not to vote for someone. Democracy is by the people not some of the people. Anyone who does not believe that very basic of principles will not get my vote. </p>
<p>Are we the only EU country to still not give citizens equal voting rights?</p>
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		<title>By: Simon McGarr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon McGarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brief response.
I&#039;m not looking for a new republic, simply a functioning one. But that&#039;s the magic of the PR system. Just give your second choice the number two, and if your first choice performs poorly, your vote still counts. Hogan is a party candidate on what, if it is to meet its purpose, should be a non-party panel. A spoiled vote is a vote for whatever everyone else wanted. A bit of a shame, when the electorate is so small. 

Lower-case simon: There is a case for the upper house, with its limited oversight powers, to supply different views. If you had a full Dail-style election, you would simply get the same thing twice. If the value of different voices to reflect a pluralistic society is accepted, then the argument simply becomes over which under represented groups should form the panels. A reasonable argument, but hardly a reason not to vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brief response.<br />
I&#8217;m not looking for a new republic, simply a functioning one. But that&#8217;s the magic of the PR system. Just give your second choice the number two, and if your first choice performs poorly, your vote still counts. Hogan is a party candidate on what, if it is to meet its purpose, should be a non-party panel. A spoiled vote is a vote for whatever everyone else wanted. A bit of a shame, when the electorate is so small. </p>
<p>Lower-case simon: There is a case for the upper house, with its limited oversight powers, to supply different views. If you had a full Dail-style election, you would simply get the same thing twice. If the value of different voices to reflect a pluralistic society is accepted, then the argument simply becomes over which under represented groups should form the panels. A reasonable argument, but hardly a reason not to vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon, if you don&#039;t take the time to fix what is right in front of you there is no chance of someone attempting to address the complicated stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon, if you don&#8217;t take the time to fix what is right in front of you there is no chance of someone attempting to address the complicated stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will not vote for someone that has no problem with the democratic deficit that is the seanad will not get my vote. Going on about UL etc is bull until everyone in the country has a vote it is a disgrace. I will certainly not vote for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will not vote for someone that has no problem with the democratic deficit that is the seanad will not get my vote. Going on about UL etc is bull until everyone in the country has a vote it is a disgrace. I will certainly not vote for him.</p>
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		<title>By: Dermot L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dermot L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an activist in the Shell to Sea campaign and have no intention of voting Garavan.

His manifesto is bland to the point of being nonsensical. There is 0 mention of his role in the Shell to Sea campaign, clearly because of fear that it might put off the more conservative voters. But if he isn&#039;t honest enough to include his role in one of the most significant national campaigns in recent years then I&#039;d start to get worried.

Shell won&#039;t be sent to sea, or anywhere else for that matter, by an elitist group of voters (myself included) choosing a candidate for an ineffective upper house of parliament. There are far more critical issues for that campaign to deal with.

Furthermore I am very wary indeed of candidates who come up with blasé lines such as the &quot;need to challenge orthodoxies of both left and right.&quot; Of course we need to challenege orthodoxies. But another centrist, soft Senator is hardly going to forge a New Republic.

As a first time elector I am wholly unimpressed with the entire procedure, even given that I was aware of the whole nonsense of having a vote in the first place. I still haven&#039;t decided whether I&#039;ll spoil my vote or not; if progressive candidates promise and set out a plan to use their position to replace Article 18 of Bunreacht na hÉireann with an entirely new and democratic Seanad - or none at all - maybe I&#039;ll consider them. If not, I don&#039;t see why I should play a role in maintaining this farcical endeavour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an activist in the Shell to Sea campaign and have no intention of voting Garavan.</p>
<p>His manifesto is bland to the point of being nonsensical. There is 0 mention of his role in the Shell to Sea campaign, clearly because of fear that it might put off the more conservative voters. But if he isn&#8217;t honest enough to include his role in one of the most significant national campaigns in recent years then I&#8217;d start to get worried.</p>
<p>Shell won&#8217;t be sent to sea, or anywhere else for that matter, by an elitist group of voters (myself included) choosing a candidate for an ineffective upper house of parliament. There are far more critical issues for that campaign to deal with.</p>
<p>Furthermore I am very wary indeed of candidates who come up with blasé lines such as the &#8220;need to challenge orthodoxies of both left and right.&#8221; Of course we need to challenege orthodoxies. But another centrist, soft Senator is hardly going to forge a New Republic.</p>
<p>As a first time elector I am wholly unimpressed with the entire procedure, even given that I was aware of the whole nonsense of having a vote in the first place. I still haven&#8217;t decided whether I&#8217;ll spoil my vote or not; if progressive candidates promise and set out a plan to use their position to replace Article 18 of Bunreacht na hÉireann with an entirely new and democratic Seanad &#8211; or none at all &#8211; maybe I&#8217;ll consider them. If not, I don&#8217;t see why I should play a role in maintaining this farcical endeavour.</p>
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		<title>By: JG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good choice and well said. I don&#039;t have a vote but if I did Garavan would get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good choice and well said. I don&#8217;t have a vote but if I did Garavan would get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mind if I ask for your next highest available preference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mind if I ask for your next highest available preference?</p>
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