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The unsubtle joy of being a partisan hack: Election 2007, and now they’re all at it.

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To my mind there are three great political resources for those of us interested in such things on the web in Ireland, above and beyond individual blogs. Slugger O’Toole and Irish Election both provide a comprehensive filter for a variety of viewpoints. And then there is of course Politics.ie. As a forum for debate it’s excellent. Sure, it’s dragged down by the anti-immigration crowd or those for whom the Second Dáil is the source of all political validation or those who believe 9/11 was caused by the US itself, or the Rosicrucians, or Fianna Fáil, or the Bilderberg Group or the Easter Bunny or… But overall it’s essential reading.

However, over the past month of so some fairly irritating noise has entered the signal, and by this I’m referring to the appearance of the entirely partisan hack. Now it’s not entirely without precedent. P.ie has always been adorned with a number of individuals whose devotion to their particular party line has bordered on the incredible, and perhaps it’s easy for those of us who’ve been through three or four political formations to take a longer view on such things. But even so, give me a break.

A thousand flowers are blooming, a thousand points of light. Problem is respectively they stink and they glare. The number of new posters appearing on Politics.ie is remarkable. These poster profess to a deep insider knowledge of the campaign, not merely of their side, but of their opponents. They talk of numerous friends ‘across the parties’ who are remarkably forthcoming about the state of their respective political projects. They hint at links to the media, to unreleased polling information, and so on and so forth.

Let me point you to some examples of the more egregious offending threads.

For a start we have the unsubstantiated rumour…take this one concerning the supposed purchase of personal cars by FF Ministers convinced that the Election is already lost.
Cars for Ministers…hmmm. That doesn’t sound likely, now does it? If only because most Ministers are fighting for their political status in…er…constituency electoral battles. And having some experience of how tenacious the most humble backbench TD will fight to retain their seat even, perhaps particularly, a Minister will do likewise. Those egos require constant feeding.

Okay, let’s consider the deliberate exaggeration of an opponents characteristics, behaviour, actions. Here for example is poor old (now, I know it’s difficult for me to write that description) Brian Cowen, lambasted for a ‘freakout‘ (by the way, how I love the way 1960s slang is reentering the language – it’s cool)
Dermot Ahern derided for ‘having a hissy fit on Drivetime‘ and so on. I listened to the first in it’s entirety and a bit of the second. Neither politician sounded in any way extraordinary, and Richard Bruton in the first….”interview”…gave as good as he got. So let’s put this down to shameless spinning.

Then there is shameless boosterism of a candidate or party. Here’s one I read earlier that deals with Enda Kenny at Westminster (incidentally, speaking of partisan, was it me or did his comments at Westminster on the 6 o’clock news yesterday tread deep into that sort of territory?). He is accorded a courteous reception which somehow becomes yet more evidence for the crushing inevitability that he will be the next Taoiseach. Not that he has been immune to attacks either, such as this thread which raises questions about his abilities in the most cack-handed fashion

Or there is the coat trailing assertion, such as this one about Eric Byrne (incidentally many years ago I was involved in student politics in a college in his constituency when he was but a councillor. I recall inviting him and all the other local representatives to the college to discuss matters of interest. He was the only one to turn up. I tend to remember things like that) not putting his heart into his campaign. A moments investigation will demonstrate that Byrne is working extremely hard, as indeed one would expect him to, to gain a seat for Labour, and for those of us entranced by the internet he actually seems to understand it and use it…

Or what of this about Joanne Spain which discourteously and entirely inaccurately alleges she is economical with the truth. More to the point the original posters in each instance when shown how incorrect such allegations are don’t bother to make any sort of an apology (incidentally the person who posted the Spain allegations is a secondary school student, but youth, like stupidity, is no defence).

Closely related to that is the allegation that a Minister, or indeed a member of the opposition front bench has been kept away from the public gaze for fear of upsetting the electorate. or Jim O’Keefe of FG lambasted for being replaced by Brian Hayes on Primetime.

Here the real problem is the lack of insight into the freewheeling nature of campaigns, particularly where they interact with the media and how this can pull anyone off course. Which makes one wonder just how much these ‘insiders’ actually know.

Could it be that they too are…you know…lying?

Meanwhile on the fringes we have partisans of the smaller parties or none doing their best to co-opt this internet ’site of struggle’. My favourite? Someone who really really likes an independent candidate in Cavan-Monaghan (disclosure of sorts, I also really like that candidate, he’s a sound man, but even so I have the strangest urge to stick my fingers down my throat when I read some of this stuff…),

And then there are pure disinformation campaigns run by the shameless or the witless. Take for example this example concerning rival candidates in Louth.. and here.

Hmmm…clearly doesn’t understand IP numbers. And in any event, the disinformation is so useless what possible interest could it serve? Unless it’s a double bluff, that we’re meant to think one person is doing it, when it’s actually their opponent, or perhaps it’s a triple bluff and we’re meant to think it’s the opponent when it’s actually the first person, or perhaps it’s….

But, overall it makes for a chaotic and rather dispiriting experience. What’s interesting is the way in which it is the semi-anonymous forum of P.ie which permits such behaviour. Blogs can be no less partisan, but due to their longevity this is understood and accepted. Indeed their very longevity gives them a credibility that posters (particularly those who sign up on the eve of the election) lack. And of course, this has been going on at the verbal level for decades. But now things are different. The simple process of writing them down alters their nature. For worse. Definitely for worse.

It has to be said – and read back over the Latest Discussions list on Politics.ie if you don’t believe me – that overwhelmingly this sort of stuff is dominated by anti-FF threads. Which is entertaining and illuminating as regards the supporters of both FF and FG.

And perhaps in that it serves a useful purpose. It’s certainly determining where my lower preferences aren’t going. And for that I particularly thank…. nah, they’d know themselves if they had the slightest bit of cop on.

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10 Responses to “The unsubtle joy of being a partisan hack: Election 2007, and now they’re all at it.”

  1. # Comment by braz May 18th, 2007 11:05

    The biggest problem is the serious lack of vision for site like P.ie, I’ve talked to Andrew a couple of times and they’re trying hard but its all a bit half arsed. In their case, they should have hired and paid for two or three full time moderators for two to three weeks to heavily monitor and control the forums to prevent the levels of noise that are now being seen. Secondly, they should have added metamoderation or at least disemvoweling for trolls and their posts.

    The net effect of this election will convince every fifteen year old in the country that their opinion and views are as well thought-out, research, pragmatic and based on real experiences as anybody elses. This is a serious problem for fora which aim to provide insightful commentaries by seasoned or at least experienced people. I’m not saying that there is not a place for the fifteen year old’s comments but I’d prefer to rank them at a much lower peg than those of a valued contributor with a proven and established track record.

    A final note there is no such thing as semi-anonymous on the Internet. At all, in any shape or form for the majority of the posters to the likes of P.ie and I wish that they would act accordingly but on the plus side of this election I can’t wait for the post election period. I think this could be the first election where legal discovery proceedings will be taken against the various fora and many of those who posted comments which were libellous will soon discover just how hard they were to trace back once the forum and the various ISP are served with court orders.

  2. # Comment by Dan Sullivan May 18th, 2007 12:05

    I would agree that the signal to noise ratio has altered, it did the same in 2004 for the locals/Euros. But I think the site works much better for broader ranging and more debate. Sure some of the wildlife is a little on the toothy side but most grown-ups can cope I reckon.

  3. # Comment by braz May 18th, 2007 14:05

    Dan does that mean that the lads at P.ie are really slow learners given the same thing happened in 2004 and there doesn’t seem to be any major changes to the system or the process they are using to deal with Trolls ?

    I like the site and I’m looking forward to `normality’ after the election when all the trolls go and get a life until the next election cycle.

    The problem isn’t that grown-ups cannot cope but rather the question is why should they have to ? Improving either or both the process and system would have cleared a lot of this up and it could have been tested a long time before the election. I’m annoyed as I used to really enjoy browsing or lurking on sites like P.ie but its too much bloody effort when the comments in most of the threads alternate between “Your candidate is crap.. Nah Nah!” to “Your candidate is woss.. Nah Nah!“.

    The technology and techniques for dealing with these problems are well established and maybe its the one thing that we forgot to ‘borrow’ from across the water in the USA for this election.

  4. # Comment by Keith May 18th, 2007 17:05

    In fairness, the Minsters’ cars thing was reported on TV3, and p.ie was just carrying a report of the report.

  5. # Comment by WorldbyStorm May 18th, 2007 17:05

    True, Keith, but the spin on the report was one of either utter credulity on the part of those repeating it or childish propagandising. I go with the latter.

  6. # Comment by BTK May 18th, 2007 22:05

    Worldbystorm,
    I’d put it that Bertie will win this election ahead of the left wing ideologues.

  7. # Comment by WorldbyStorm May 19th, 2007 00:05

    Perhaps BTK, but remember he’s the greatest ‘socialist’ of them all.

  8. # Comment by John Carroll May 19th, 2007 18:05

    And perhaps in that it serves a useful purpose. It’s certainly determining where my lower preferences aren’t going.

    You are seriously basing your preferences on people in politics.ie?

  9. # Comment by WorldbyStorm May 19th, 2007 19:05

    Some of the posters have been posting for a considerable length of time. I think it’s quite revealing the attitude they display. These are, though, I’d repeat lower preferences.

  10. # Comment by Fergal May 19th, 2007 20:05

    I occasionally look in there because they sometimes have opinion poll figures a bit earlier than RTE, but otherwise I find the site a waste of time. I particularly recall the occasional “goldrush” moment where a thread based on a misleading rumour is candy-flossed via wishful thinking into a breaking news story.
    P.ie, for all it’s hints of being privy to insider knowledge, was incorrect in it’s assertion in October that the PDs had left the government, and again when it reported breathlessly and prematurely (by about three days) that an election was about to be called. The rest is partisan bickering by people who surely don’t even believe their own nonsense (PDs to come back with 11 seats was a prediction I read the other day). It’s a chatroom, not a news resource.

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