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	<title>Comments on: Party Leaders Election Debate, Bertie Ahern -v- Enda Kenny &#8211; Open Thread</title>
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		<title>By: Mick Fealty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick Fealty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 23:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m getting some American drama on One online... bugger... their server crashed just before the last phase of the debate...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m getting some American drama on One online&#8230; bugger&#8230; their server crashed just before the last phase of the debate&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 23:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same as every past leaders debate.  Each side will think their man won and in a week no floating voter will actually remember tonight.  You&#039;re not going to get agreement here (but it&#039;s entertaining) and you won&#039;t get it outside in the real world.  Basically a draw over 15 rounds but if someone wants to convince me one man won it on points fair enough as it won&#039;t make a difference.  It&#039;s still going to be Fianna Fail &amp; Labour in 6 weeks time &quot;for the good of the nation&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same as every past leaders debate.  Each side will think their man won and in a week no floating voter will actually remember tonight.  You&#8217;re not going to get agreement here (but it&#8217;s entertaining) and you won&#8217;t get it outside in the real world.  Basically a draw over 15 rounds but if someone wants to convince me one man won it on points fair enough as it won&#8217;t make a difference.  It&#8217;s still going to be Fianna Fail &amp; Labour in 6 weeks time &#8220;for the good of the nation&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: roosta</title>
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		<dc:creator>roosta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 23:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enda was thrashed.

Leaves us with the horrible dilema now...everyone says we need change, but I dont want that useless fecker taking over!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enda was thrashed.</p>
<p>Leaves us with the horrible dilema now&#8230;everyone says we need change, but I dont want that useless fecker taking over!</p>
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		<title>By: Cian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 23:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://examiner.ie/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=ireland-qqqm=ireland-qqqa=ireland-qqqid=33073-qqqx=1.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;examiner&lt;/a&gt; call it a draw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://examiner.ie/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=ireland-qqqm=ireland-qqqa=ireland-qqqid=33073-qqqx=1.asp" rel="nofollow">examiner</a> call it a draw</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 23:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prime time calling it a draw. did they watch the same debate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prime time calling it a draw. did they watch the same debate?</p>
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		<title>By: Cian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 23:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i read flannery as saying on prime time that they put feck all work into this. it showed tonight</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i read flannery as saying on prime time that they put feck all work into this. it showed tonight</p>
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		<title>By: Niall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 22:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly, that debate wasn&#039;t good for Enda. But he has the lead, a very real lead. If FG don&#039;t screw up, they win. If Fianna Fail don&#039;t pull something out of the bag they lose. Bertie did well, but it wasn&#039;t pulling something out of the bag. Enda didn&#039;t do well, but it wasn&#039;t a total screw up.

If I were betting man, my money would still be on Enda to be the next Taoiseach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly, that debate wasn&#8217;t good for Enda. But he has the lead, a very real lead. If FG don&#8217;t screw up, they win. If Fianna Fail don&#8217;t pull something out of the bag they lose. Bertie did well, but it wasn&#8217;t pulling something out of the bag. Enda didn&#8217;t do well, but it wasn&#8217;t a total screw up.</p>
<p>If I were betting man, my money would still be on Enda to be the next Taoiseach.</p>
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		<title>By: Liam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 22:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surprised ENDA never pushed the accountability theme. This is really important theme for many people I know.  Accountability will drive better service.

Crime: Bertie says &quot;it&#039;s a disgrace&quot; that a criminal in a high security prison is able to phone liveline show. I agree Bertie, but last I heard the Governor of Portlaoise is still in a job! SACK HIM, he needs to know that if he doesn&#039;t sack his prison wardens for giving room service to gangland crime bosses that he will loose his job.
Anyone every walked into a garda station and notice how slow they are to come to the counter? They are lazy bas tards. Make the ones we have -  work!

Local Government: County Engineer allows city water supply to become contaminated by incompetence and inaction. SACK HIM NOW! (After 5 years working in private industry I am now working in local authority for past six months. It&#039;s a joke how little work im given. There is no hurry on anyone)

Health: 40% of employees are administrators. Will some get the f... in there and start handing out p45&#039;s.... Pay for the redundancies. You will be in profit in year 3

I could go on and on. For me it’s not about spending billions on more this and more that. It&#039;s about proper management of resources and accountability in Government.

Bertie doesn&#039;t do it for me, and after tonight Enda didn&#039;t convince me that he will be any better.

Winner: Miriam. I thought she looked pretty hot tonight!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surprised ENDA never pushed the accountability theme. This is really important theme for many people I know.  Accountability will drive better service.</p>
<p>Crime: Bertie says &#8220;it&#8217;s a disgrace&#8221; that a criminal in a high security prison is able to phone liveline show. I agree Bertie, but last I heard the Governor of Portlaoise is still in a job! SACK HIM, he needs to know that if he doesn&#8217;t sack his prison wardens for giving room service to gangland crime bosses that he will loose his job.<br />
Anyone every walked into a garda station and notice how slow they are to come to the counter? They are lazy bas tards. Make the ones we have &#8211;  work!</p>
<p>Local Government: County Engineer allows city water supply to become contaminated by incompetence and inaction. SACK HIM NOW! (After 5 years working in private industry I am now working in local authority for past six months. It&#8217;s a joke how little work im given. There is no hurry on anyone)</p>
<p>Health: 40% of employees are administrators. Will some get the f&#8230; in there and start handing out p45&#8242;s&#8230;. Pay for the redundancies. You will be in profit in year 3</p>
<p>I could go on and on. For me it’s not about spending billions on more this and more that. It&#8217;s about proper management of resources and accountability in Government.</p>
<p>Bertie doesn&#8217;t do it for me, and after tonight Enda didn&#8217;t convince me that he will be any better.</p>
<p>Winner: Miriam. I thought she looked pretty hot tonight!</p>
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		<title>By: Cian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 22:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>woo hoo the real deabte. PJ versus Flannery on Prime time</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>woo hoo the real deabte. PJ versus Flannery on Prime time</p>
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		<title>By: Twenty Major</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twenty Major</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 22:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t think it&#039;ll make much difference in the end though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t think it&#8217;ll make much difference in the end though.</p>
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