Comments on: Greens on Fluroide again http://www.irishelection.com/2007/03/greens-on-fluroide-again/ Coverage of Irish Politics, News and Current Affairs Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:23:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.5 By: This Loony Issue" that dare not speak it's name: Fluoridation (?) and the Irish Greens.... « The Cedar Lounge Revolution http://www.irishelection.com/2007/03/greens-on-fluroide-again/comment-page-1/#comment-22489 This Loony Issue" that dare not speak it's name: Fluoridation (?) and the Irish Greens.... « The Cedar Lounge Revolution Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:48:48 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/03/greens-on-fluroide-again/#comment-22489 [...] after writing this I noticed that Simon had also done a piece on it at the Dossing Times, which covers some of the same as the [...] [...] after writing this I noticed that Simon had also done a piece on it at the Dossing Times, which covers some of the same as the [...]

]]> By: EUES Ireland(off-duty) http://www.irishelection.com/2007/03/greens-on-fluroide-again/comment-page-1/#comment-22336 EUES Ireland(off-duty) Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:00:28 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/03/greens-on-fluroide-again/#comment-22336 I think I will take a break for the weekend from this fluoride debate – I have been spending too much time on it. Plans for the weekend. Wake up Saturday from my fluoride washed & impregnated sheets, have a fluoride shower, brush my teeth with fluoridated water (but un-fluoridated toothpaste), shave with fluoride water, put on fluoride impregnated clothes, have some diary products supplied by fluoridated water-fed cows, drink my reconstituted (with 12ppm fluoridated water) fruit juice, boil some bottled water to make my naturally highly fluoridated tea (6-12ppm), before heading off for a few pints with the lads of fluoridated (6ppm) Guinness. For lunch, I think I will fry up a nice fluoride-fed steak on my fluoride/Teflon pan which will go nicely with boiled (in fluoridated water) spuds (which , of course, I will avoid boiling in an aluminium pan, as that multiplies the fluoride and chemically bond aluminium by a factor of at least 60). Some nice processed fluoridated peas should round that off. Then maybe, who knows, as it’s the week that’s in it, maybe a few more fluoridated Guinnesses ( 6ppm x ?). If I am still able to walk home to crawl into my fluoridated sheets again, I will have roughly the same thing to look forward to again on Sunday. Ah, but it will be good to get away from fluoride for a while anyway! I think I will take a break for the weekend from this fluoride debate – I have been spending too much time on it.
Plans for the weekend. Wake up Saturday from my fluoride washed & impregnated sheets, have a fluoride shower, brush my teeth with fluoridated water (but un-fluoridated toothpaste), shave with fluoride water, put on fluoride impregnated clothes, have some diary products supplied by fluoridated water-fed cows, drink my reconstituted (with 12ppm fluoridated water) fruit juice, boil some bottled water to make my naturally highly fluoridated tea (6-12ppm), before heading off for a few pints with the lads of fluoridated (6ppm) Guinness. For lunch, I think I will fry up a nice fluoride-fed steak on my fluoride/Teflon pan which will go nicely with boiled (in fluoridated water) spuds (which , of course, I will avoid boiling in an aluminium pan, as that multiplies the fluoride and chemically bond aluminium by a factor of at least 60). Some nice processed fluoridated peas should round that off. Then maybe, who knows, as it’s the week that’s in it, maybe a few more fluoridated Guinnesses ( 6ppm x ?). If I am still able to walk home to crawl into my fluoridated sheets again, I will have roughly the same thing to look forward to again on Sunday. Ah, but it will be good to get away from fluoride for a while anyway!

]]> By: joemomma http://www.irishelection.com/2007/03/greens-on-fluroide-again/comment-page-1/#comment-21791 joemomma Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:54:36 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/03/greens-on-fluroide-again/#comment-21791 <i>"If they were serious about the environment they would oppose the beef and dairy industries at every turn for using and wasting most of our water and causing the largest amount of CO2 emmisions. Instead they jump on the motorist who has no choice but to drive to work."</i> Actually I'm pretty sure it's the construction industry which causes the largest amount of CO2 emissions. As for "the motorist" - there are a great many individuals motorists who have no choice but to drive to work, and Green policies are designed to ensure that more motorists do have the choice, through the provision of more public transport, better land use planning and regional development. Of course, there are already many thousands of motorists who have every choice but continue to drive to work. So "the motorist" is not a homogenous entity. “If they were serious about the environment they would oppose the beef and dairy industries at every turn for using and wasting most of our water and causing the largest amount of CO2 emmisions. Instead they jump on the motorist who has no choice but to drive to work.”

Actually I’m pretty sure it’s the construction industry which causes the largest amount of CO2 emissions. As for “the motorist” – there are a great many individuals motorists who have no choice but to drive to work, and Green policies are designed to ensure that more motorists do have the choice, through the provision of more public transport, better land use planning and regional development. Of course, there are already many thousands of motorists who have every choice but continue to drive to work. So “the motorist” is not a homogenous entity.

]]> By: Billy http://www.irishelection.com/2007/03/greens-on-fluroide-again/comment-page-1/#comment-21653 Billy Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:47:54 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/03/greens-on-fluroide-again/#comment-21653 Flouridated water is a drug. So is heroin. Putting heroin in the water is silly and so is flouridating it. Even giving it a name legitimises it. Flourine and Lithium are psychoactive drugs and Flourine was used to medicate, to calm and to make docile by the Nazis. Fascist. Right Wing. Controlling. Just like the organisation that Hitler modelled the SS on the Catholic Church. Well specifically the Jesuits but that is splitting hairs. I was briefly a card carrying member of the greens until I wised up. They are CND and a bunch of cyclists wrapped up in an organic bun. If they were serious about the environment they would oppose the beef and dairy industries at every turn for using and wasting most of our water and causing the largest amount of CO2 emmisions. Instead they jump on the motorist who has no choice but to drive to work. But I do support them in getting this waste out of the water supply. It is dangerous and unnecessicary and based on faulty logic. Water is too important to let some half assed council worker dump toxic waste pretending to be medicine in unmetered quantities into our bodies. Its not science, its complete and unadulterated bullshit and nonsense that we let it carry on. If there is no water there is no life. It is the single most important thing in our lives and we let the government away with medicating it. They can't even manage to get the actual shite out of it so why do we let them put other shite into it. Let them build a 45 story interprative centre in the Burren with the money instead. It would be more useful than flouridation. They have no right to medicate me, you or anybody else against their will. Pretending it is for our own good is patronising big brother nonsense and belongs to a bygone era that unfortunately we still live in. I would also contend that we do not live in a democratic state if indeed we ever did. Government is remote and inaccessible. Public questions are not answered by TDs. We were a colony that gained independence from Britain that was quickly overthrown by a Catholic theocracy that we only recently have started to remove. The extent of the control the church exercised over the government and people is akin to Kim Jong Il and Kim Il Sung in Korea. This is the context in which the 1961 order to flouridate was inserted. We need rid of it and we need to grow up as a nation. Civil war politics, theocratic laws and flouridation belong in the past not in our teeth. Flouridated water is a drug. So is heroin. Putting heroin in the water is silly and so is flouridating it. Even giving it a name legitimises it. Flourine and Lithium are psychoactive drugs and Flourine was used to medicate, to calm and to make docile by the Nazis. Fascist. Right Wing. Controlling. Just like the organisation that Hitler modelled the SS on the Catholic Church. Well specifically the Jesuits but that is splitting hairs.

I was briefly a card carrying member of the greens until I wised up. They are CND and a bunch of cyclists wrapped up in an organic bun. If they were serious about the environment they would oppose the beef and dairy industries at every turn for using and wasting most of our water and causing the largest amount of CO2 emmisions. Instead they jump on the motorist who has no choice but to drive to work. But I do support them in getting this waste out of the water supply. It is dangerous and unnecessicary and based on faulty logic.

Water is too important to let some half assed council worker dump toxic waste pretending to be medicine in unmetered quantities into our bodies. Its not science, its complete and unadulterated bullshit and nonsense that we let it carry on.

If there is no water there is no life. It is the single most important thing in our lives and we let the government away with medicating it. They can’t even manage to get the actual shite out of it so why do we let them put other shite into it.

Let them build a 45 story interprative centre in the Burren with the money instead. It would be more useful than flouridation. They have no right to medicate me, you or anybody else against their will. Pretending it is for our own good is patronising big brother nonsense and belongs to a bygone era that unfortunately we still live in.

I would also contend that we do not live in a democratic state if indeed we ever did. Government is remote and inaccessible. Public questions are not answered by TDs. We were a colony that gained independence from Britain that was quickly overthrown by a Catholic theocracy that we only recently have started to remove. The extent of the control the church exercised over the government and people is akin to Kim Jong Il and Kim Il Sung in Korea. This is the context in which the 1961 order to flouridate was inserted.

We need rid of it and we need to grow up as a nation. Civil war politics, theocratic laws and flouridation belong in the past not in our teeth.

]]> By: Ben http://www.irishelection.com/2007/03/greens-on-fluroide-again/comment-page-1/#comment-21388 Ben Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:55:21 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/03/greens-on-fluroide-again/#comment-21388 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXWpHru08kY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXWpHru08kY

]]> By: Dan Sullivan http://www.irishelection.com/2007/03/greens-on-fluroide-again/comment-page-1/#comment-21383 Dan Sullivan Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:47:30 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/03/greens-on-fluroide-again/#comment-21383 They're stealing our bodily essence! They’re stealing our bodily essence!

]]> By: Tom Young http://www.irishelection.com/2007/03/greens-on-fluroide-again/comment-page-1/#comment-21338 Tom Young Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:40:40 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/03/greens-on-fluroide-again/#comment-21338 The parameters of the constitutional rights became less clear following decisions of the Irish Supreme Court that provided constitutional protection of individual personal rights that were not explicitly granted in the constitution. This trend began in 1963 with Ryan v. Attorney General Mrs. Ryan sought to have the Health (Floridation of Water Supplies) Act struck down as uncontitutional.The supreme court affirmed the high court's decision that, based on the facts, Mrs. Ryan's suit could not succeed. However, the court confirmed that the right to bodily integrity was included as part of the general constitutionally guaranteed personal rights.Quoting Justice Kenny of the high court, the supreme court held that "the personal rights which may be invoked to invalidate legislation are not confined to those specified in Article 40 but include all those rights that flow from the Christian and democratic nature of the State." The parameters of the constitutional rights became less clear following decisions of the Irish Supreme Court that provided constitutional protection of individual personal rights that were not explicitly granted in the constitution. This trend began in 1963 with Ryan v. Attorney General Mrs. Ryan sought to have the Health (Floridation of Water Supplies) Act struck down as uncontitutional.The supreme court affirmed the high court’s decision that, based on the facts, Mrs. Ryan’s suit could not succeed. However, the court confirmed that the right to bodily integrity was included as part of the general constitutionally guaranteed personal rights.Quoting Justice Kenny of the high court, the supreme court held that “the personal rights which may be invoked to invalidate legislation are not confined to those specified in Article 40 but include all those rights that flow from the Christian and democratic nature
of the State.”

]]> By: Simon http://www.irishelection.com/2007/03/greens-on-fluroide-again/comment-page-1/#comment-21308 Simon Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:31:29 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/03/greens-on-fluroide-again/#comment-21308 Ya I saw the rise and was some tempted to jump at it. But resisted. You everytime I am thinking of voting green. John Gormley opens his mouth. We should start a campaign. More Eammon Ryan less john Gormley. <em>The Greens are saying that people have the cop-on to know to look after their teeth and don’t need to be mass medicated.</em> If that was the case then they would believe people have enough cop on to use public transport instead of driving cars. People are by in large idiots. Be proud and be the openly honest party to admit it. Ya I saw the rise and was some tempted to jump at it. But resisted. You everytime I am thinking of voting green. John Gormley opens his mouth. We should start a campaign. More Eammon Ryan less john Gormley.

The Greens are saying that people have the cop-on to know to look after their teeth and don’t need to be mass medicated.
If that was the case then they would believe people have enough cop on to use public transport instead of driving cars. People are by in large idiots. Be proud and be the openly honest party to admit it.

]]> By: Ben http://www.irishelection.com/2007/03/greens-on-fluroide-again/comment-page-1/#comment-21301 Ben Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:21:14 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/03/greens-on-fluroide-again/#comment-21301 I Know! and he still critised me! He though I was calling him a nut, when really I was trying to get a light-hearted rise out of Simon. That's it. I'm handing in my sense of humour and I'm off to join the SWP. anyone want a leaflet? I Know! and he still critised me! He though I was calling him a nut, when really I was trying to get a light-hearted rise out of Simon. That’s it. I’m handing in my sense of humour and I’m off to join the SWP. anyone want a leaflet?

]]> By: joemomma http://www.irishelection.com/2007/03/greens-on-fluroide-again/comment-page-1/#comment-21267 joemomma Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:55:58 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/03/greens-on-fluroide-again/#comment-21267 <i>"Go ahead call me a nut. Stifle the debate."</i> Ben, I think Billy was chiming in on your side of the debate. “Go ahead call me a nut. Stifle the debate.”

Ben, I think Billy was chiming in on your side of the debate.

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