Comments on: Fine Gael worrying me http://www.irishelection.com/2007/03/fine-gael-worrying-me/ Coverage of Irish Politics, News and Current Affairs Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:23:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.5 By: Liam http://www.irishelection.com/2007/03/fine-gael-worrying-me/comment-page-1/#comment-49455 Liam Sun, 13 May 2007 23:53:57 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/03/fine-gael-worrying-me/#comment-49455 Fine Gael worry me too. I would like a minister for justice that will create an independent police commission like that was set up in the north. And reign in the currupt police and Irish media who live up their hole to gain insider information and exclusives. The media in this country are puppets to the police. I respect McDowell and I like the way he forced the garda reserves down their throat, but he has shamed himself by not having already got the bottom of the Terence Wheelock manslaughter/murder in garda custody. You can’t pick n choose when to have principles even when the truth is as ugly as it is. The blue shirts give the garda extra resources and the gloves come off against criminals. The force grows more n more currupt which does more harm than good. Fine Gael worry me too.

I would like a minister for justice that will create an independent police commission like that was set up in the north. And reign in the currupt police and Irish media who live up their hole to gain insider information and exclusives. The media in this country are puppets to the police.
I respect McDowell and I like the way he forced the garda reserves down their throat, but he has shamed himself by not having already got the bottom of the Terence Wheelock manslaughter/murder in garda custody. You can’t pick n choose when to have principles even when the truth is as ugly as it is.

The blue shirts give the garda extra resources and the gloves come off against criminals. The force grows more n more currupt which does more harm than good.

]]> By: Dan Sullivan http://www.irishelection.com/2007/03/fine-gael-worrying-me/comment-page-1/#comment-35787 Dan Sullivan Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:07:25 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/03/fine-gael-worrying-me/#comment-35787 Someone has to man the internet in case anything of significant happens. Also I'm avoiding blame for the "for a change" visual gag as pointed out by Miriam Lord in today's IT. Someone has to man the internet in case anything of significant happens. Also I’m avoiding blame for the “for a change” visual gag as pointed out by Miriam Lord in today’s IT.

]]> By: Ben http://www.irishelection.com/2007/03/fine-gael-worrying-me/comment-page-1/#comment-35584 Ben Sat, 31 Mar 2007 13:42:08 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/03/fine-gael-worrying-me/#comment-35584 actually Dan, I thought you'd be at the conference today. what are you doing wasting your time with us mere reactionaries? actually Dan, I thought you’d be at the conference today. what are you doing wasting your time with us mere reactionaries?

]]> By: Ben http://www.irishelection.com/2007/03/fine-gael-worrying-me/comment-page-1/#comment-35574 Ben Sat, 31 Mar 2007 13:26:06 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/03/fine-gael-worrying-me/#comment-35574 I'm sure she'd send it to the supreme court because she thought it was hunky dory. anyway, it's a power that this president has no intention of using - but somebody who's charged under this bill, if passed with the amendments, certainly will take it to the supreme court. this is the worst kind of politics. Headline-grabbing amendments, puffed-up chests like it's some Dublin-Meath game. It's shameful. do you know how to stop people getting off on technicalities? Recruit guards who know how to fill in fucking forms. I’m sure she’d send it to the supreme court because she thought it was hunky dory. anyway, it’s a power that this president has no intention of using – but somebody who’s charged under this bill, if passed with the amendments, certainly will take it to the supreme court. this is the worst kind of politics. Headline-grabbing amendments, puffed-up chests like it’s some Dublin-Meath game. It’s shameful.
do you know how to stop people getting off on technicalities? Recruit guards who know how to fill in fucking forms.

]]> By: Dan Sullivan http://www.irishelection.com/2007/03/fine-gael-worrying-me/comment-page-1/#comment-35549 Dan Sullivan Sat, 31 Mar 2007 12:48:14 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/03/fine-gael-worrying-me/#comment-35549 Ben the president can't deem something as unconstitutional as you suggest, she can however refer to the Supreme court to test its unconstitutionality which an entirely different power. Ben the president can’t deem something as unconstitutional as you suggest, she can however refer to the Supreme court to test its unconstitutionality which an entirely different power.

]]> By: Ben http://www.irishelection.com/2007/03/fine-gael-worrying-me/comment-page-1/#comment-35433 Ben Sat, 31 Mar 2007 10:21:36 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/03/fine-gael-worrying-me/#comment-35433 John, I wish Fine Gael would do some research into constitutional law instead of coming out with amendments "based on something more than mere reactionism." No law can override the constitution. That's it. Period. The Dáil can pass the law, and Fine Gael can have their populist "tough on crime" headlines for the upcoming election, but if the law was passed one of two things will happen: the president could refuse to sign it, deeming it unconsitutional, as Robinson did during the 1990s, or, more likely, the first time someone arrested under it who has the resources to do so, that person will challenge the law and the case will be thrown out because, well,the law is unconstitutional. There are no good intentions with this one. Fine Gael and the PDs are trying to out-right wing each other, chasing the taxi driver's vote. Hard votes, not good faith, is the motive behind this one. John, I wish Fine Gael would do some research into constitutional law instead of coming out with amendments “based on something more than mere reactionism.” No law can override the constitution. That’s it. Period. The Dáil can pass the law, and Fine Gael can have their populist “tough on crime” headlines for the upcoming election, but if the law was passed one of two things will happen: the president could refuse to sign it, deeming it unconsitutional, as Robinson did during the 1990s, or, more likely, the first time someone arrested under it who has the resources to do so, that person will challenge the law and the case will be thrown out because, well,the law is unconstitutional.

There are no good intentions with this one. Fine Gael and the PDs are trying to out-right wing each other, chasing the taxi driver’s vote.

Hard votes, not good faith, is the motive behind this one.

]]> By: simon http://www.irishelection.com/2007/03/fine-gael-worrying-me/comment-page-1/#comment-35429 simon Sat, 31 Mar 2007 10:12:35 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/03/fine-gael-worrying-me/#comment-35429 The amendment that you your self have showed was Fine Gael's. Are you saying that you don't find the above amendment worrying. You haven't even talked about it. Just trying to divert from the issue. Deal with the issue please, which is this amendment. We don't know how any party would go about this. If indeed they would. We only know how Fine Gael will go about it. And to me it is fecking scary. So are you going to defend this piece of legislation John. Are just try to dodge the issue. The amendment that you your self have showed was Fine Gael’s. Are you saying that you don’t find the above amendment worrying. You haven’t even talked about it. Just trying to divert from the issue. Deal with the issue please, which is this amendment. We don’t know how any party would go about this. If indeed they would. We only know how Fine Gael will go about it. And to me it is fecking scary.

So are you going to defend this piece of legislation John. Are just try to dodge the issue.

]]> By: John Carroll http://www.irishelection.com/2007/03/fine-gael-worrying-me/comment-page-1/#comment-35380 John Carroll Sat, 31 Mar 2007 09:30:54 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/03/fine-gael-worrying-me/#comment-35380 You seem to be basing your whole Fine Gael worries me thing on a report in the Irish Times. A glance at the debate would show that the desire to do something in this area is not confined to Fine Gael, indeed there is a substanial body of opinion in favour of that, but the Fine Gael measure was not deeemed the best way to proceed. As this is judged the Best Irish Political Blog, I would have presumed that as a courtesy to readers pieces would be researched and based on something more than mere reactionarism. You seem to be basing your whole Fine Gael worries me thing on a report in the Irish Times. A glance at the debate would show that the desire to do something in this area is not confined to Fine Gael, indeed there is a substanial body of opinion in favour of that, but the Fine Gael measure was not deeemed the best way to proceed. As this is judged the Best Irish Political Blog, I would have presumed that as a courtesy to readers pieces would be researched and based on something more than mere reactionarism.

]]> By: Simon http://www.irishelection.com/2007/03/fine-gael-worrying-me/comment-page-1/#comment-34725 Simon Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:16:49 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/03/fine-gael-worrying-me/#comment-34725 Glanced at it. Whats your point? For anyone else it is here. http://debates.oireachtas.ie/DDebate.aspx?F=DAL20070329.xml&Node=H11&Page=9 Glanced at it. Whats your point? For anyone else it is here.
http://debates.oireachtas.ie/DDebate.aspx?F=DAL20070329.xml&Node=H11&Page=9

]]> By: John Carroll http://www.irishelection.com/2007/03/fine-gael-worrying-me/comment-page-1/#comment-34710 John Carroll Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:59:12 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/03/fine-gael-worrying-me/#comment-34710 Simon, have you read the Dáil debate on the subject? Simon, have you read the Dáil debate on the subject?

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