Muslims in Ireland
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The Indo has details of a survey about Muslim attitudes in Ireland. Some details:
73% believe they are fully integrated into Irish society, with 77% saying they feel accepted here.
More than a third—36%—would prefer Ireland to be ruled under Sharia law, while 37% would like Ireland to be governed as an Islamic state.
Now I have to wonder how “prefer” is defined; is it that they would like it if they got it but not pushed about getting it or they would be proactive in campaigning for it. But possibly the most worrying aspect is:
It found 28% of young Muslims aged between 16 and 26 believe violence for political ends is sometimes justified.
More than half of young Muslims—57%—believe Ireland should become an Islamic State.
Almost one-in-five—19%—said they “respect” al-Qa’ida terrorist leader Osama Bin Laden, but the same number of those polled supported US President George Bush. However, the findings generally reveal strong liberal opinions among Irish-based Muslims.
There is about 40,000 Muslims in Ireland or circa 1% of the population; is there anything we can do to integrate the youth who do not see Ireland as a home, or do we have to be ready to defend our way of life from the minority of Muslims who are extremists?
The sad reality is that Islam has shown itself unwilling to adopt to Western culture. It serves no fruitful purpose to deny the reality we have seen in the form of 911, Madrid, London, Van Gogh murder in Holland, and the French riots. The reality is that we are dealing with a culture with a value-system radically divorced from Western norms. You only have to recall the Danish cartoon hysteria to understand that. I advocate tighter controls on Muslim immigration in that context.
I wonder if there are any figures out there as to the percentage of Irish Christians who “would prefer Ireland to be ruled under Catholic/Christian law”? My guess is quite a few, though perhaps concentrated in the older end of the population.
As for people who think violence is justified for political ends, well when you live in Belfast…..
I’m not saying this news is not disturbing: I just wonder how disturbed we ought to be…
Luckily Christian law doesn’t have quite the same stance on women, homosexuals, Jews, atheists and polytheists as Muslim law, so it’s not quite the same thing.
the exact wording of that question was, i believe, “Ireland would be better off if it were governed according to Sharia law”
> so its a very weak sort of belief/endorsement with no way of saying its a strong feeling
“and More than half of young Muslims—57%—believe Ireland should become an Islamic State.” was not the same thing; they were asked would they to see it as such
so i really dont think its worth worrying too much about, especially given that the results show that the overwhelming majority of Irish muslims are exceptionally liberal
as for “It found 28% of young Muslims aged between 16 and 26 believe violence for political ends is sometimes justified”…
> well & a lot of non-muslims in ireland (and elsewhere) would also agree with some of these ’stronger statements’ re: political violence, etc…
not everyone is a gandhi!
(remember that mandela was branded a terrorist for a long time, as were many other future statesmen, e.g michael collins, etc)
You know what, I’m not in anyway a supported of Sharia Law, but in defense of those who think Ireland would be better off if governed according to Sharia law, they probably conceptualise it rather differently to us.
We think of it solely in terms of stoning women and what have you. I imagine they think of the more positive aspects. There’s many Irish people that think the country would be better off without “Podge and Rodge” culture, binge drinking, Page 3 and drug barons.
…28% of young Muslims aged between 16 and 26 believe violence for political ends is sometimes justified…
Depends how you ask the question. If you asked a bunch of Irish 16-26 year olds whether or not the 1916 Rising was justified and then used the answer to say that violence for political ends is justified, you’d get result in the 70%+ range, I’d think. You ask the same demographic while using World War 2 as your example, you’ll get an even higher result.
And, to quote the great “Yes, Minister”:
“Mr. Woolley, are you worried about the rise in crime among teenagers?”
“Yes”
“Do you think there is lack of discipline and vigorous training in our Comprehensive Schools?”
“Yes”
“Do you think young people welcome some structure and leadership in their lives?”
“Yes”
“Do they respond to a challenge?”
“Yes”
“Might you be in favor of reintroducing National Service?”
“Yes”
Now try the alternative line of questioning:
“Mr. Woolley, are you worried about the danger of war?”
“Yes”
“Are you unhappy about the growth of armaments?”
“Yes”
“Do you think there’s a danger in giving young people guns and teaching them how to kill?”
“Yes”
“Do you think its wrong to force people to take up arms against their will?”
“Yes”
“Would you oppose the introduction of National Service?”
“Yes”
Bravo Keith,
Never underestimate the value of humour.
Something sadly lacking among the followers of Islam.
Some years ago, in London, I sat on a 295 bus beside a Muslim girl, no more than 12/13, suitably burkhad against the blistering heat. She had a small, pamphlet type of book.
Such was her concentration that I tried to read the name.
Immediately she sought to hide it.
So, like any le Carre spy, I hid behind my newspaper, awaiting my opportunity.
And there it was — “Conditions in Certain Prisons in Algeria”.
What hope had she of a normal childhood?
Here the IRA mullahs used to incite Murder, knowing that they could plead that they were at war — &, if caught, get a cushy billet in prison, like the killers of Detective McCabe.
Were they prepared to die for their country, like the Suicide Bombers of Islam?
Bollocks!
But they were prepared to Kill — and still are; daily; in their continued fight to control the multi-billion drug trade that they and other IRA godfathers operate.
And where do they get their AK-47s etc?
From their “so-Called” decommissioned stockpiles.
Where else?
So let’s solve our own problems first.
Personally, I find it terrifying that 36% of Muslims, here in Ireland, support the imposition of Sharia Laws; that 19% respect Osana bin Laden and that 57% of the young (12/13 year olds?) feel that Ireland should be an Islamic state.
And we moan about 800 years of English occupation!
And, for the sake of the record, the descendants of the Norman settlers – from 800 years ago – and now – are not impressed by being called English.
And Senor de Valera liked to think he was Irish.
And, of course, St. Patrick was born in Drumcondra – not Bristol.
It’s New Year’s Day.
Time to stop going backwards into the Future.
Ha Ha,
Yiz are so funny… Lies damn lies and statistics–
Firstly, they mixed Sunni and Shia, which is ridiculous as they are incompatible.
Only Shiah’s could respect Bush, he murders Sunni’s. I wonder how they found the Muslims to survey! After all you can’t just ask people on Grafton Street, if they just asked people at the Mosque, then they are missing out on a very large number of Muslims. Think about it? How many Muslim women were interviewed….?? I am a Muslim woman and I am in contact with many other Irish Muslims none of whom were interviewed.
Regarding Islam in Ireland, I support the fight for Irish independance from British rule, always have, I became Muslim at 24. I always supported the Palestinian’s right to independance. I am against oppression in all forms and yes if Muslims tried to steal someone’s country I would be against that too.
I am Irish and I belong here in my home country, I wear a scarf coz I want to and if anyone doesn’t like it, tough!!! You either believe in human rights or you don’t. It is utterly hypocritical to equate democracy and freedom with the oppression of a person’s right to practice the religion of their choice…………
Is Mise
Hanifah xxx
Has anyone seen the documentary on U-tube called “Undercover mosque” Its a hoot these British born Sunni Muslims talk about taking over Europe.
I would not concern myself with worries of Muslim domination,They are no more a threat to western society as a pandemic of acne. The fundamentalist ideals and goals as you know spring from the middle ages and their mentality has not evolved much since then. Don’t get me wrong I know they are capable of such things as 9/11, But they have no where near the capacity for world domination which is their long term goal. First of all they say that they are the fastest growing religion and that the time will come when they are simply too many of the them for Democracy to be able to contain them. That they will elect their people to political office and when they are in the majority they will then do away with the democratic system an impose sharia law. I ask you in all fairness talk about not thinking things through. First of all they should have kept this to themselves because now that we know about this childish plan its never going to happen, but more importantly it would be impossible.These guys are thinking small scale something like that would have to happen in every democratic state on the face of the earth at almost the exact same time for it to succeed. If it didn’t and they imposed Sharia law in say France, do you think the rest of the world would sit by and let it happen to them also,not to mention they would have to control all the military in these countries in order for them to prevail.
They say that at present there is 1.5 billion Muslim in the world behind them. Not true Islam is a divided religion.The Shiite’s and the Sunni’s forms of Islam is so fundamentally different it makes them bigger enemies of each other than it does of the west, also there are the moderate Muslims like you find in Turkey where women refuse to wear the hi jab.The fundamentalists are lashing out at the west because they are a dying breed they’re trying to make as much noise as they can. And fool as many moderates to their flag before they are all gone What is the old saying about empty vessels making the most noise.
In the next hundred years or so these guys will have disappeared and the Muslims of the middle east and the far east will have grown enough intellectually to question the very essence of the Islamic way, and asked why do we suppress Muslim women who are at the very least our intellectual equals if not more so if the present crop of Imam’s are taking into the equation. Why do we prevent our children from integrating and learning about other cultures as the west has done for centuries, why must we limit their education to the constant study of a book written at a time when even the western civilization’s best scholars thought the world was flat.
The so called professors of Islam (the Imam’s)are no more intelligent than a small boy with a piece of paper and a crayon drawing up childish plans of world domination,crudely conceived and impossible to carry out.
So finally I would like to say to all the people of the west put your concerns about these people behind you they are no more dangerous than a pedophile living in your town once you know where he is and what he is up to at all times theres nothing to worry about, just keep an eye on him until he gets old withers and fades away.
The real enemy the human race has to worry about is ignorance the same ignorance that keeps such a backward religion as Islam on the go is helping the rise of Evangelical Christians to the same ascendancy in western countries these two extremes are the cause for the present situation find ourselves in. If Humanity is to stand the test of time we must turn our back on such primitive doctrine and leave it in the past where it belongs.
Martin
what matters is that all Muslims support a united island of Ireland. All Muslims in NI must vote Sinn Fein and encourage those around them to do likewise. it is an Islamic obligation to support justice and seek and enjoin good for all peoples in all times.
http://europeans.ws – native euro muslims
Muslim free europe by 2010
ARE YOU SERIOUS MUSLIMS ARE NOT WELCOME HERE AND IF THEY THINK THIS COUNRTY WILL EVER BECOME ISLAMIC THEY THERE BADLY MISTAKEN THEY SHOULD BE SHOT …?
Ireland should kick out the muslims before there is an increase in terrorist attacks, rapes, and violence similar to what is being seen in Sweden and London. Ireland is a great nation with strong cultural heritage that should be put first before a tiny muslim minority. Islam’s barbaric ideals have no place in Ireland.
There is a numerous conclusions on Islam based off the news on media. in reality, we are negligent to read and understand a faith. When Jesus proclaimed peace, jew rejected it. When Mohamed proclaimed peace, it was the same result but a different set of people now. The method involved as presribed by God to handle the oppression itself is a test and true evidence to the supreme knowledge of God.
As a muslim for 30 years, I have encountered only everyday of better understanding and internal bliss through this religion. I invite you to feel and nourish your souls through this beautiful word of God.
Islam is not a religion of peace as it claims. Everywhere Muslims migrate too they want their way of life enforced on others. For example,Muslims want to impose sharia in Ireland or England or where ever else.This is not peace. Having multiple wives is not peace, it is oppression and slavery. Calling for the murder of persons who critisize islam is not peace.Female genital mutilation, beatings, beheading and hangings is not peace. The destruction of Mosques by opposing Islamic sects and killing innocent worshippers is not peace. Study your own history Muslims! Islam did not spread by peaceful missionary work, but only by the sword. The Koran is evidence itself with many references on violence to the “nonbeliever”. If Muslims are so concerned about living their religion, then why don’t they stay in their own countries and practice it.
Furthermore, Muslims are free to practice their faith in western countries,not to mention demonstrate,riot,and otherwise speakout when they feel their rights are violated; unlike a western man in a Muslim country who would be murdered if he behaved the same way by the religion of peace.
In conclusion, if you Muslims don’t like what I have to say you can kiss my white Irish ass!
John Murphy said alot sh** but in the last sentence he has told himself what he is made of. haha God Bless Ya!
I am an American who has been living in Germany for 14 years now, and I can tell you from my own experience that you should not let them go too far. Many people are moving away from Christianity and are too cowardly to think about being Atheist. So, what happens? They find the next best thing. I admire the Irish for standing up and staying free. We did the same thing in the 1700´s, and I could not imagine just giving all of that up just like that! What did our forefathers die for? Did they give up their lives for nothing? If you are sick of the Church, then find yourself by starting with your own head, Think!
“Ireland should kick out the muslims before there is an increase in terrorist attacks, rapes, and violence similar to what is being seen in Sweden and London. Ireland is a great nation with strong cultural heritage that should be put first before a tiny muslim minority. Islam’s barbaric ideals have no place in Ireland.”
Well said! That goes for Europe as well. Ciao
I hope the Irish wake up in time to see the growth of islam in their country, before they find themselves being forced to make accommodations that do not serve their national interest.
I urge all Irish to be VERY wary of activities in mosques and other places where muslims like to gather. Islam would like nothing more than usurping all of Europe, as its adherents believe it’s rightfully theirs. Don’t fall victim to their “happy talk” — it’s just a front. To them, you are nothing but dirty infidels, suitable only for slavery or death.
Ireland, you have fought for 800 years for your sovereignty and that fight continues today. Don’t let islam gain a foothold in destroying your hard-won freedoms.
Well, God bless and keep the Irish; the best and a great nation with a great heritage and great people who know how to live life to the fullest and have the fear of the Holy One of Israel within their hearts–meaning Jesus from Nazareth thanks to Saint Patrick who brought Christ to Ireland
centuries ago…. And the Celtics have ruled a free Ireland before and since by the grace of God and His Holy Saviour Christ our Lord….
That’s is why Ireland is such a great nation state. It has the fear and love of God in its Constitution, beliefs and its free and democratic people…. May I remind my Irish friends that Rome never conquered Ireland
and Sharia law, not know way, not know how…. Roger Michael from Bakerfield, California in the good ol’ U.S.A.
Ok i would like to say that it is people like peter and john murphy that should be kicked out of ireland. They get there facts from misconceptions on the news. This kind of stupidity is ridiculous. they talk about the seperation and fights in islam, LOOK AT YOUR OWN DAMN COUNTRY U HAVE HAD CATHOLICS AND PROTESTANTS AT EACH OTHERS NECKS FOR YEARS.it is people like u that make this world disgusting. your lacl of knowledge is amazing. you talk about facts you know nothing about. so why dont you sit ur butt down and learn aboutsomething before u talk about it.
Religion is crap, the whole lot! Check out these sites Adam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-KHHKuVVRc
http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell
A prominent evangelical member of the Church of England’s General Synod has called for a ban on the building of any more mosques in Britain.
Alison Ruoff also claimed that Sharia law is inevitable in this country if mosques continue to be built here.
Mrs Ruoff, a former magistrate, said in an interview with London’s Premier Christian Radio that no more mosques should be built in Britain until all persecution of Christians in Muslim nations had ceased.
She said: “No more mosques in the UK. We are constantly building new mosques, which are paid for by the money that comes from oil states.
“You build a mosque and then what happens? You have Muslim people moving into that area, all the shops will then become Islamic, all the housing will then become Islamic and as the Bishop of Rochester has so wisely pointed out, that will be a no-go area for anyone else.
“They will bring in Islamic law. We cannot allow that to happen.”
Dr Michael Nazir-Ali enraged the Muslim community and received death threats against his family when he warned recently that parts of Britain had become no-go areas for non-Muslims.
“If we don’t watch out, we will become an Islamic state. It’s that serious.”
That is the truth! I live in Germany, and I see it happening with my own eyes! England needs to throw out the Muslim Council, It is not necessary! The chose to come over here to Europe! No one invited them, well, none of us. If you move to a country, you adapt to the laws and way of life. I moved to Germany in 94 and the first thing that I concentrated on was the Language. There is a big difference between being a Muslim, and being an Islamist. I know quite a few Muslims, and they are wonderful people. An Islamist is the Radical. okay, cheers!
You say that Islam is a control obsessed religon,but again the christians with the crusades did the same. some muslims are like this yes. BUT most are not it is onlly asmall amout that give them a bad name. Most muslims would feel safer in a country with islamic laws as a result of the abuse and slandering they go through.
You say that Islam is a control obsessed religon,but again the christians with the crusades did the same. some muslims are like this yes. BUT most are not it is onlly asmall amout that give them a bad name. Most muslims would feel safer in a country with islamic laws as a result of the abuse and slandering they go through.simple
Adam,
you make some fair points about the need for people to feel safe and protected.
I think your defence of Islam against a charge that it is a controlling religion is weakened by having to resort to comparisons with Christian crusades that occured between 1000 and 800 years ago.
While your point is fair does it serve as a defence to say the west was like that once. We are talking about the here and now. Surely that should be the basis for discussion.
I am not against your points I just think that the argument you deployed is very counter-productive.
On a side note your argument that the conflict in the north is about catholics v protestants is as accurate as saying the war in Iraq is about muslims v christians. It can be reduced down and over-simplified down to that level as the respective combatants are separated by religion but thats not why the US/UK invaded Iraq. Similar to the north – its easier to just describe it as a religious conflict rather than to consider the questions of identity and control.
As someone who does not wish to see muslims misrepresented you should not make such simplifications. Same as others should not misrepresent your arguments or motivations.
there is no “god” out of the numerous religions there are in the world what makes you think YOURS is the correct one? religion is an outdated method of controlling the masses and enslaving women. Thank fuck i woke up and realised what a load of bullshit religion is. Religion was invented BY men TO SUIT men. I dont try to convert people into my way of thinking but just lettin ya know there is no afterlife, youve got ONE life and thats here and now. So live it how you want. Dont let religion stop you from living life the way you wanna live it.
Brian: the problem lies with attitudes such as yours. Why should Muslims change to suit you? Why don’t you simply accept them for who they are because until you do, you have not accepted them.
Muslims are more than capable of playing an integral role in Irish society and indeed they do and they still maintain their own culture and religion.
MPACIE. If muslims cant adapt to our culture mabye they should go back to their own country. Just like if we go to iraq we have to abide by your countries rules, you should have to abide by ours. we shouldnt even let muslims into our country. We are too lenient with the likes of them.
Dave, the assumption that you make is that there is an unavoidable conflict between Irish culture and Islamic cultures. The truth is that most Muslims that come here, get by just fine. They’re not calling for us to change our culture and as far as I can see. My life hasn’t had to change as a result of any Muslim moving here, so why don’t you just relax.
Niall, if it were the other way around and you moved to a muslim country, do you think theyd stick up for u the way u just stuck up for them? i think not…….
What exactly is your point Dave? You figure that we should model ourselves on the Iranian political system? Or that we should pat ourselves on the back because our legal and political systems are better than theirs? I’d like to think we could judge ourselves by a higher standard.
I have seen here alot of hate for islam but let me clear a few things there are alot of peoples who have no knowledge and they are talking about islam. Islam is a relegion of peace as JOHN MURPHY says that having multiple wives i would prefer you john to READ the Quran ok IF YOU CANNOT DO JUSTICE IN YOUR WIVES THAN DONT DO MULTIPLE DO ONLY ONE This is what GOD is saying in Quran ok and Islam has never been spread by sword if it was than why ISLAM was very victorious Because this is the relegion which will be accepted by GOD if anyone is having Question PLEASE go to youtube and find out debates on islam and you will find all your answers questions there are great scholars who clearify the Islam so much and whatever media is showing is totally wrong image of islam try to do your own research.
Now talking about Ireland we Muslims love ireland i personally dont have any problem with any other relegion if someone wants to know my relegion most wellcome but if not i wont force them Irish peoples are very sensible but in every socity there are good and bad this is media some time showing good and sometime showing bad.
And what solution you have in your relegion about womans because womans are 3 times more in population in world than man so if even every man is going to marry one woman what the rest of the woman in the world would do they wouldnt be able to get man and so they will commit sin so Islam is the only relegion giving you the solution for this.
This is not Islam only telling woman to cover it body but cristinity as well PAUL is telling you in your bible that if a woman dont cover her head shave her head PAUL is telling you ok and simple example.
If two girls one wearing skirt and shwing off her body and another one is covering her all body whom you will tease offcousre the one with skirt. Some peoples here say that if muslims will be more in population here here will be so many rapes hah so tell me some body is when everyday we are reading in newspaper about rape cases in ireland are MUSLMS doing that Come on be serious Islam is only showing you the right path dont look to the muslims what they do Go and see The life of Prophet MUHAMMAD PBUH this is only muslims who accepts Jesus,Moses,and other prophets.
Niall.. I assure you, You won’t be forced to live as a muslim when you come to an islamic country, at least not in most of them
don’t forget that in any country in the whole world not all people have the same religion, even muslim countries have christians and jews.. not just nowadays, that was through all history
so why don’t you guys consider us as normal human being and stop judging us depending on what osama bn ladin did because most of us didn’t even like it!
OOps!! i meant Dave not Naill!
And By the way! most muslims who move to western countries do it to have better lives for them and their children and not because they want to take over their lives or turn you to muslims
The problems being experienced in Ireland managing the new Islamic population are the same the world over. In Sydney, Australia, members of the Muslim community have settled in certain suburbs and seem hell-bent on transforming them. Islamic schools are being set up left, right and centre. Where is the money coming from? The community outrage at the push by members of the Islamic community to assert themselves over the local community and Australian culture is reported regularly. For example, the proposal for the Islamic school at Camden.
Remember that Islam is a religion based on the words of God spoken through the mouth of Mohammed. Mohammed was a paedophile.
When Muslims write “(PBUH)” read that as “Paedophilia be upon him” and as a strictly Islamic tag.
Push back on those Muslims. You have against the British.
it does not matter what the muslims think, the do NOT belong in ireland or any christian country. white people are just afraid to disagree with someone dif. because they dont want the hate card. there is a time to hate. thay do not mix with our culture and are destrioying irish and wester triditions. people only look at the now what about a 50 years from now there might not be an ireland. if i were muslim i would not want wsterners comming in my country. you know what muslims do to christians in africa and afganistan they will kill you.. so i say it is time to fight back……..
Wow. you talk about fighting back what exactly are u fighting against? im a muslim and i have about 40 to 50 christian and atheist friends. they feel that our culture mixing is a good thing because, it shows people that the people who say fight back because muslims are bad people or are evil. Are really just ignorant people who think they know whats best are u really that ignorant to think that the muslims of ireland a good 20,000 or so are able to control or the 4 million or so other irsh people if u do then u are an even bigger idiot than i thought.The muslims i know are normal irsh people and have no problems with christians or other people. And u make a fair point look at the christians in africa look at how much space they are given they set up churches and celebrate christmas and other religous days. with out people going up to them and complaing bars now have alcohol and pork. so how about u do a little research
it is alway good to argue when you have the knowledge of what you are talking about,so the only advice i give u guyz is to go to the any mosque around u and 2 ask for english translation quran and knw evetything that is contain inside and then hpfuly u wil b different person,i mean quran is words of God and it has all the answer u need.
or you can go to youtube and listen to KHALID YASSIN or AHMED DEEDAT.
Alot of people like to compare Islam to Christianity and say that one is just as oppressive as the other. Let’s clarify a few basic facts:
There are no passages or rules written into the Christian faith that directly command, or even suggest that non-Christians should suffer violence simply for being non-Christians.
There are, however, multiple verses in the Qu’ran and the haddiths, which command a Muslim to take up arms and kill non-believers. Granted some of these are in the context of defence against persecution, but many are not, and the ones that do refer to war situations are not specific about what constitutes a Muslim’s “persecution”.
The Qu’ran is very clear about the following: Should anyone discard his faith (become an apostate) he should be killed. Jews and Christians must fall under the sword or be subjugated under dhimmitude, which affords them about as much right as women. Fighting must continue until all submit to Allah or all perish.
Many verses also state that a Muslim who does not actively engage in the Jihad is not equal to those who do. The Muslim who sheds blood for the Jihad will have a special reward in heaven. (I can quote every single one of these verses if needs be).
Bringing up the crusades, along with every other war in human history that wasn’t started by Islam, is no argument against the crimes that Muslims today feel they have a right to commit in accordance with their own religious law.
There are no “extremists” in Islam. You either follow what the Qu’ran says 100% with no compromises, or you don’t. You’re either a Muslim, or you’re not. The so called “moderate” Muslims of today, who usually grow up in the West, enjoy comfortable lifestyles outside the vice grip of Sharia law. They make compromises on their religion, they pick and choose which verses suit them and try to say that the ‘fanatical’ Muslims in Saudia Arabia, for example, who take the texts literally, do not represent Islam. What exactly gives them a right to say that their interpretation of the Qu’ran and selection of haddiths are more legitimate than what the Imams in the Middle-East are preaching?
To say Islam is a religion of peace is an outright lie and to compare Jesus’ teachings to Mohummad’s is preposterous. One man was a poor carpenter who preached forgiveness, tolerance, charity and repentance. The other was a brutal warlord who butchered tribes, forced people into slavery and slept with a 9 year old girl. Every law, every haddith was written to justify Mohummad’s lifestyle. That is why Muslim men are permitted by Sharia law to take a wife of any age, with or without her voiced consent, and have sex with her after her first period.
Irish people should not try to defend Islam or Sharia law. You may find admirable aspects on the surface, especially when held up to our mark of alcoholism and street crime, but beneath Islam is an archaic, misogynistic and oppressive ideology that seeks to dominate the world.
Ask yourself why the average Muslim family has about 8 children? As Algerian leader Houari Boumédienne said “One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The WOMBS OF OUR WOMEN will give us victory.”.
Irish people need to wake up.
This thread just won’t die.
As long as Islam continues to grow and threaten our judicial systems and freedom to express our own views, the discussion will continue.
Mark i would like you to support your acusations with quotes. As i belive i know the ones you will use. Such as: Surah5.15. You seemed to over look this passage though:Surah5.69 and Surah 2.62. also your understanding of jihad is flawed. Jihad should only be declared: in defence of Allah, to restore peace and freedom etc. You seem to be blind to the fact that Allah had told muslims fighting will not allow you into a special place in heaven or anything like this.”The reward for an injury is an equal injury back; but if a person forgives instead,and makes reconciliation, he will be rewarded by god” Surah 42:40. So i do belive that your understanding is wrong. Also muslims are told that they must” bear with patience what they say, and when they leave give a courtious farewell”Surah73:10 ‘they’ being non beliver, so muslims are not told to persucute non belivers but to listen to what they have to say.If you actually think for a minute and realise that a muslim is not a blood thirsty savage then i think you can learn a thing or two.
Im a muslim. i have christian, jewish, buddist friends. Hell even one of my teachers is a buddist. i dont belive that they are below me. I give talks to classes about islam.Some of the questions that i get are in relation to the stupidity of people who think being a muslim gives you the right to go and kill people. You say that muslims who live in western areas belive their interpretation of the Qu’ran and selection of haddiths are more legitimate than what the Imams in the Middle-East are preaching. The reasons that muslims think this is because of the fact they are human every human is incharge of their own beliefs. if a muslim finds something that dissgrees with what the Imams are saying then they will obviously not agree with the imam. If you look at christianity then you can see the bible is interpreted differently for each member of the faith eg: catholics, protestants.
Im amazed that you belive that “As long as Islam continues to grow and threaten our judicial systems and freedom” it happens every where. every one has influence over such things
look at america in the middle east, or ireland and england. Every one interferes with each other in these matters. Open your eyes. Im awake and so is everyone around me in this matter. it is you who needs to get out of your little world and check the facts. They might help you understand that islam is a peaceful religon but its people like you that make Islam out to be an “archaic, misogynistic and oppressive”. Muslims will never force a person to conform to islam only help choose the right path so that they may please god.
[Qur'an (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."]
This verse is speaking of infidels (ie. “slay the infidels wherever you find them” 9:5) who obviously became Muslim to escape the sword, but the Hadith make no distinction of how a Muslim came to be a Muslim. Apostasy is always punished by death.
The reason why executing apostates has always been well-ensconced in Islamic law is that there is an indisputable record of Muhammad and his companions doing exactly that.
[Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "]
[Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."]
Apostasy is taken so seriously by Muslims that it spawned the first of many major wars within the community immediately after Muhammad’s death, when several tribes wanted to leave Islam and go back to their preferred religion.
Although it has been perfectly acceptable under Islamic law to kill Muslims who choose to embrace another religion, contemporary Muslims have realized how weak and draconian this causes Islam to appear. (A sound philosophy does not require a death threat to retain believers). As such, there is a modern tendency to deny fourteen centuries of Islamic teaching and even the very words of Muhammad himself – at least for Western ears.
Also, with regards to Islam’s supposed tolerance of other religions:
[Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."]
[Muslim (19:4294) - There are many places in the haddith where Muhammad tells his followers to demand the jizya of non-believers. Here he lays down the rule that it is to be extorted by force: "If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them"]
Muhammad established the practice of funding Islam through extortion from non-believers late in his life. In 630, the prophet of Islam first marched an army into Christian lands in what came to be known as the “Battle of Tabuk.” In fact, there was no battle because there was no army arrayed against him. The residents were taken by surprise. Some were killed, and the survivors were forced to pay “protection” money to Muhammad. (Clearly abrogating the previous rule of “no compulsion in religion” that today’s Muslims are so fond of repeating).
Only eleven years after Muhammad’s death, his companions swept through North Africa, putting to the sword those who would not submit to Islamic rule. In 643, Tripoli was conquered and the native Christian Berbers were forced to give their wives and children to the Muslims as slaves to satisfy the Jizya.
[Qur'an (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."]
Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding caravans with this verse.
[Qur'an (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."]
The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle, as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. Here is the theological basis for today’s suicide bombers.
[Qur'an (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"]
This passage not only criticizes “peaceful” Muslims who do not join in the violence, but it also demolishes the modern myth that “Jihad” doesn’t mean holy war in the Qur’an, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man’s protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad).
[Qur'an (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."]
Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that they are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It also explains why today’s devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.
Bringing all that back to the 21st Century, watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k3wzxdZqbc
and this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLlZS18LLzQ&feature=related (Part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKhdMmTdtkA&feature=related (Part 2
Muslims do not want to intergrate and those that tell you differently can’t really be trusted, especially since the only instance in which a Muslim may lie, according to the Qu’ran, is for the sake of the Jihad/”spiritual war” or whatever you’d prefer to call it.
In all honesty Mark i feel sorry for you. to be so blind to the simple truth that is every religon is the same. christianity used the crusades to spread its self. Islam only fought in protection of its self. One question i put to you though. you say islam is a barbaric religon, but in your defence of this statement you yourself side with those in society who wish to eradicate a people just because you are threatend by them. for this fact alone i pity you. No matter what you say islam will grow and remain in this world. DEAL WITH IT. you take these passages out of context Allah created every thing. He gave humans choice. if Allah wished for every one to be muslim, every one would be. but no he decided he will let us decide. Do you agree that christianity is a pure religon. Which has done no harm to the world?
If you do then i can understand why you dislike islam.
You refuse to see what is before you simple. Facts that you over look to suit your purpose. you pick and choose what you think will support your accusations and ignore the truth. Also the extremists who clame they fight for islam go against gods wishes. Jihad does not apply to them.
read the Qur’an. properly, dont skim over it and read the parts that suit you if you are going to talk about islam. You may also like to know that a muslim is incharge of his own faith no one appart from god may tell him to worship this or that. so islam is different for each muslim and saying every muslim is the same eg: if one is a killer they all must be. that type of ignorance is disrespectful on many levels. I dont belive anyone out side islam is an idiot. bye your reasoning the world would be in constant war worse than it is now.
Mohamed married 6 yeas old girl(child) when he was 53,and married his adapted son’s wife after ordering his son to divorce her then he married her because seen her naked and desired her,Mohamed slept with dead woman,for Muslim to read their books and understand it,
can any Muslim tell me what was the God’s message to Mohamed when he married to a 6 years old girl (ayeshaa)
Finally Ireland has some sort of peace and now we have to deal with Muslim terrorists.Nobody in ireland gives a crap who comes into the country but if the muslim populaion in Ireland think they will get away with protesting in the streets like in England then they better think again.
Nobody in Ireland believes for a minute that Muslims are peaceful and so they wiil be watched very carefully!!!!
To JOHNY
Can you tell me when jesus born i mean what was the age of Mary?
and Prophet Muhammad PBUH didnt order his odopted son wife she wasnt wife of his Odopted Son even please if you want to know about Muhammad PBUH and ISLAM then do some search on even youtube u will find debates of muslim scholars vs cristian scholars they will better explain u islam.
and to all IRSIH peoples we muslims in ireland dont want sharih law because its not Muslim population country at all so please dont bring hatness in ur hearts agianst muslims that we want ur country its Cathloic and will be because here is 90% cristians.
I dont know why they put so rubbish question for survey just to make hatness in peoples against muslims.
Can you imagine these people coming over here saying Ireland should be governed by Shiria law…. The cheek of the cunts!!!
@ james roberts no one wants ireland to be govern by Sheria law as it is not Muslim country, so man take your head out of sand and get real.plz.
I am from an asian country and it has a very sizable muslim minority and sorry to say that i have never encounted a muslim who is fair,i mean to treat and respect every one as human beings.The first quistion the muslim ask is What your religion is?From 33 years of experience living in a country with large muslim population is….Islam is a false religion…its not from god.Christians are murdered im muslim countries and if a single muslim man is murdered somewhere in europe..they create a great fuss and the european country will have to explain the reason to all arab countries..or else they will end diplomatic relations with them…so sad
Our government seem happy enough to see Ireland become an islamic state, we could all be stoning or own daughters to death on grafton street or hanging our gay teenage sons on o’connel street in no time. Not to mention making the rape of women perfectly acceptable because they will be second class citizens. Dont fool yourselves people, Islam is a barbaric cult, look at whats happening in Iran, you want that in Ireland??
Hi all, without further due, Please read the Quran those who are climing Islam is “”Bbarbaric”" cults well, prove it from the Quran. Islam gives every one in society his/her right. Women in Islam are treasured, they were giving their right way before any others civilizations had ever dream of doing so, in Islam women allowed to inheret and so forth. GLEN I can assure you “”Iran”" is not an Islamic states, they are Shiea, i.e. like a Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormonism. I advice all those calling upon FIGHT BACK and KICK MUSLIMS OUT to read the Quran just like some stated, know your facts before you come on here and start talking Jibberish… Peace
Those who ask the question, “how to integrate muslim youth into Irish culture”… look how well it’s gone in the U.K. They are NOT interested in integration, they are interested only in subjugation. After 800 years of occupation, if any society should stand guard against attempts to crush their way of life, it’s the Irish. To the people of Ireland, be VERY careful about how many of these people you allow in your country. No matter what you do for, to or against them, the bottom line is… you are the infidel and you must submit or die. The Quran spells it out quite clearly.
Without a reversal of fortune, the islamic cancer will grow and metastasize throughout Ireland, and the Irish will never know what hit them. You’ll know of their political power when you find abridgments to your own civil rights start to creep in to local and regional laws. Ask the Brits, the French or the Dutch and get their perspectives as to how well muslim “assimilation” has worked for them.
@Rahim: “and to all IRSIH peoples we muslims in ireland dont want sharih law because its not Muslim population country at all”…
Nice try at al-Taqiyya there, pal. What is your response to the poll that shows 58% of you people want sharia law in Ireland? You’re not fooling everyone.
@Scott Hyland – I totally agree with Scott Hyland i have relatives living In Birmingham uk and you just wont believe the problems there with muslims and the problems Muslims cause in local councils and everything else. They do not integrate and push their cultures and beliefs onto everyone else as if they are above everyone else. They are trouble and should go back home to their own countries and culture where they belong!!