Comments on: Ryanair to put Ireland on the map http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/ryanair-to-put-ireland-on-the-map/ Coverage of Irish Politics, News and Current Affairs Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:43:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.5 By: Simon http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/ryanair-to-put-ireland-on-the-map/comment-page-1/#comment-2658 Simon Mon, 09 Oct 2006 09:01:36 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/10/ryanair-to-put-ireland-on-the-map/#comment-2658 If you believe so strongly in copetition then surely you believe that Aer lingus should be spilt into single aircraft. And basically come like taxi drivers. But we know this would not happen as a degree of consulidation is needed in the market. This is just that. As for the Barcelona run. If it is still profitable why would they not run it? You yourself are willing to pay to go into Barcelona so they will charge you accordingly. If you believe so strongly in copetition then surely you believe that Aer lingus should be spilt into single aircraft. And basically come like taxi drivers. But we know this would not happen as a degree of consulidation is needed in the market. This is just that. As for the Barcelona run. If it is still profitable why would they not run it? You yourself are willing to pay to go into Barcelona so they will charge you accordingly.

]]> By: WorldbyStorm http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/ryanair-to-put-ireland-on-the-map/comment-page-1/#comment-2575 WorldbyStorm Fri, 06 Oct 2006 19:27:53 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/10/ryanair-to-put-ireland-on-the-map/#comment-2575 If we believe in competition it's hard to see the justification for this move. It appears like a straight ahead monopolistic take over. Not very libertarian Simon. Worse it may potentially cut down on the service provided. As it stands Aer Lingus offers flights to say Barcelona which actually land within spitting distance of the city whereas RyanAir lands miles away to the North. Perhaps a small thing to those of you under 35, but for those of us grey beards its nice to have even a modicum of comfort and it's hard to see how RyanAir could see it as profitable to run two services into Barcelona and Girona. Vis a vis world travel, I'm intrigued as to how the quick turnaround model that has allowed RyanAir to be successful in Europe can be mapped onto the US and other routes. Simply put such economies of scale appear unlikely if not impossible. If we believe in competition it’s hard to see the justification for this move. It appears like a straight ahead monopolistic take over. Not very libertarian Simon.

Worse it may potentially cut down on the service provided. As it stands Aer Lingus offers flights to say Barcelona which actually land within spitting distance of the city whereas RyanAir lands miles away to the North. Perhaps a small thing to those of you under 35, but for those of us grey beards its nice to have even a modicum of comfort and it’s hard to see how RyanAir could see it as profitable to run two services into Barcelona and Girona.

Vis a vis world travel, I’m intrigued as to how the quick turnaround model that has allowed RyanAir to be successful in Europe can be mapped onto the US and other routes. Simply put such economies of scale appear unlikely if not impossible.

]]> By: Jack M http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/ryanair-to-put-ireland-on-the-map/comment-page-1/#comment-2562 Jack M Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:20:23 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/10/ryanair-to-put-ireland-on-the-map/#comment-2562 Simon, I accept that. The processes are lengthy (colonic like) and may not suit the leverage O'Leary decides to opt for. Divestiture too was a condition in at least one of those cases. I do mention that there's little to stop Ryanair acquiring a controlling stake. I wonder if there are poison pill provisions built in somewhere? Simon, I accept that.

The processes are lengthy (colonic like) and may not suit the leverage O’Leary decides to opt for. Divestiture too was a condition in at least one of those cases.

I do mention that there’s little to stop Ryanair acquiring a controlling stake. I wonder if there are poison pill provisions built in somewhere?

]]> By: Simon http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/ryanair-to-put-ireland-on-the-map/comment-page-1/#comment-2556 Simon Fri, 06 Oct 2006 10:12:26 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/10/ryanair-to-put-ireland-on-the-map/#comment-2556 Jack M Eu competiotion did not block numnourous french mergers and british airways and caladion airlines or KLM and Air france. Jack M Eu competiotion did not block numnourous french mergers and british airways and caladion airlines or KLM and Air france.

]]> By: Jack M http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/ryanair-to-put-ireland-on-the-map/comment-page-1/#comment-2555 Jack M Fri, 06 Oct 2006 09:52:55 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/10/ryanair-to-put-ireland-on-the-map/#comment-2555 I suspect that Competition Law will see this move blocked under EU Treaty Articles 81 and 82. Thought in saying that the concentration of Ryanair landing slots and routes if different to that of Aer Lingus, with the exception of the home base. I am not fully up on the Irish Competition Act (at the moment) but suspect that the levers are in place to block such action. Or at least extreme divestiture measures to the Ryanair or Aer Lingus core businesses. This could of course end-up in Brussels with Commissioner Kroes, DG Compeition. O'Leary and Co are not that popular with the EU Institutions over various spats and also his close to the bone marketing ploys. I agree that this maybe a stunt, but I'd detest it if they are successful. Technically there's nothing stopping his taking the shares and capital at all. Aer Lingus has its faults, but going the Ryanair way would do nothing for the economy. I take the various points people make about 'revolutionising the airline and holiday industry' yadda. We do need a robust carrier to represent the state and it would be shameful to allow this manoeuvre happen. The unions are not going to be happy and I heard a UK based analyst on the radio this morning discussion the various downsides to a Ryanair takeover. I suspect that Competition Law will see this move blocked under EU Treaty Articles 81 and 82. Thought in saying that the concentration of Ryanair landing slots and routes if different to that of Aer Lingus, with the exception of the home base. I am not fully up on the Irish Competition Act (at the moment) but suspect that the levers are in place to block such action. Or at least extreme divestiture measures to the Ryanair or Aer Lingus core businesses. This could of course end-up in Brussels with Commissioner Kroes, DG Compeition. O’Leary and Co are not that popular with the EU Institutions over various spats and also his close to the bone marketing ploys.

I agree that this maybe a stunt, but I’d detest it if they are successful. Technically there’s nothing stopping his taking the shares and capital at all.

Aer Lingus has its faults, but going the Ryanair way would do nothing for the economy. I take the various points people make about ‘revolutionising the airline and holiday industry’ yadda. We do need a robust carrier to represent the state and it would be shameful to allow this manoeuvre happen.

The unions are not going to be happy and I heard a UK based analyst on the radio this morning discussion the various downsides to a Ryanair takeover.

]]> By: Limerick Lad http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/ryanair-to-put-ireland-on-the-map/comment-page-1/#comment-2553 Limerick Lad Fri, 06 Oct 2006 09:10:50 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/10/ryanair-to-put-ireland-on-the-map/#comment-2553 Michael O'Leary is trying to pull the wool over the public's eyes by claiming that Ryanair and Aer Lingus only compete on 17 routes and therefore it would not be a breach of competion rules. Hey Mick, those are all routes out of Ireland as Aer Lingus does not compete with you on flights to Europe from the UK and you would therefore would have control of 70% of all flights to and from Ireland. Is that not one of those monopolies you're always complaining about! Michael O’Leary is trying to pull the wool over the public’s eyes by claiming that Ryanair and Aer Lingus only compete on 17 routes and therefore it would not be a breach of competion rules.
Hey Mick, those are all routes out of Ireland as Aer Lingus does not compete with you on flights to Europe from the UK and you would therefore would have control of 70% of all flights to and from Ireland. Is that not one of those monopolies you’re always complaining about!

]]> By: simon http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/ryanair-to-put-ireland-on-the-map/comment-page-1/#comment-2551 simon Fri, 06 Oct 2006 08:11:21 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/10/ryanair-to-put-ireland-on-the-map/#comment-2551 Ryanair don't do air cargo to my knowledge so how does them owning the air cargo arm change anything in relation to competition.? Ryanair don’t do air cargo to my knowledge so how does them owning the air cargo arm change anything in relation to competition.?

]]> By: Evert http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/ryanair-to-put-ireland-on-the-map/comment-page-1/#comment-2534 Evert Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:19:02 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/10/ryanair-to-put-ireland-on-the-map/#comment-2534 There's really nothing wrong with a monopoly as long as it does not abuse it's position. Besides that you have to give it Michael O'Leary, anyone who makes the unions shit themselves gets my support! E. There’s really nothing wrong with a monopoly as long as it does not abuse it’s position.
Besides that you have to give it Michael O’Leary, anyone who makes the unions shit themselves gets my support!

E.

]]> By: Keith http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/ryanair-to-put-ireland-on-the-map/comment-page-1/#comment-2524 Keith Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:24:26 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/10/ryanair-to-put-ireland-on-the-map/#comment-2524 I agree it's probably a stunt, Damien, but it raises a lot of questions that Martin Cullen said didn't need to be answered before he sold the airline. I agree it’s probably a stunt, Damien, but it raises a lot of questions that Martin Cullen said didn’t need to be answered before he sold the airline.

]]> By: Damien Mulley http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/ryanair-to-put-ireland-on-the-map/comment-page-1/#comment-2522 Damien Mulley Thu, 05 Oct 2006 14:54:13 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/10/ryanair-to-put-ireland-on-the-map/#comment-2522 It's a stunt, nothing more. It’s a stunt, nothing more.

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