Comments on: From the Inside: Seamus Ryan – A Vote For Sinn Fein Is A Vote For Fianna Fail? http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/from-the-inside-seamus-ryan-a-vote-for-sinn-fein-is-a-vote-for-fianna-fail/ Coverage of Irish Politics, News and Current Affairs Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:43:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.5 By: What did for Labour? 1992, 1994, 1997 and the slow slow decline of the Irish Labour Party… at Irish Election http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/from-the-inside-seamus-ryan-a-vote-for-sinn-fein-is-a-vote-for-fianna-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-3384 What did for Labour? 1992, 1994, 1997 and the slow slow decline of the Irish Labour Party… at Irish Election Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:03:01 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/10/from-the-inside-seamus-ryan-a-vote-for-sinn-fein-is-a-vote-for-fianna-fail/#comment-3384 [...] By-the-by, a most educational post by Cllr. Seamus Ryan of the Labour Party on Irish Election, which takes Sinn Féin to task for not ruling out support for a minority Fianna Fáil government. One can only suppose Cllr. Ryan, who appears to be a personable guy, is making a small bit of mischief for both Sinn Féin and Fianna Fáil with this stance (although surely he got the heading wrong on his piece and it should read “A vote for Fianna Fáil is a Vote for Sinn Féin”: I’m almost certain that’s what he meant ) in view of the absolute anathema on the part of his party and Fine Gael to any form of electoral pact with Sinn Féin. [...] [...] By-the-by, a most educational post by Cllr. Seamus Ryan of the Labour Party on Irish Election, which takes Sinn Féin to task for not ruling out support for a minority Fianna Fáil government. One can only suppose Cllr. Ryan, who appears to be a personable guy, is making a small bit of mischief for both Sinn Féin and Fianna Fáil with this stance (although surely he got the heading wrong on his piece and it should read “A vote for Fianna Fáil is a Vote for Sinn Féin”: I’m almost certain that’s what he meant ) in view of the absolute anathema on the part of his party and Fine Gael to any form of electoral pact with Sinn Féin. [...]

]]> By: What did for Labour? 1992, 1994, 1997 and the slow slow decline of the Irish Labour Party… at Irish Election http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/from-the-inside-seamus-ryan-a-vote-for-sinn-fein-is-a-vote-for-fianna-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-3383 What did for Labour? 1992, 1994, 1997 and the slow slow decline of the Irish Labour Party… at Irish Election Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:29:34 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/10/from-the-inside-seamus-ryan-a-vote-for-sinn-fein-is-a-vote-for-fianna-fail/#comment-3383 [...] By the by a most educational post by Cllr. Seamus Ryan of the Labour Party on Irish Election which takes Sinn Féin to task for not ruling out support for a minority Fianna Fáil government. One can only suppose Cllr. Ryan, who appears to be a personable guy, is making a small bit of mischief for both Sinn Féin and Fianna Fáil with this stance (although surely he got the heading wrong on his piece and it should read A vote for Fianna Fáil is a Vote for Sinn Féin - I’m almost certain that’s what he meant ) in view of the absolute anathema on the part of his party and Fine Gael to any form of electoral pact with Sinn Féin. [...] [...] By the by a most educational post by Cllr. Seamus Ryan of the Labour Party on Irish Election which takes Sinn Féin to task for not ruling out support for a minority Fianna Fáil government. One can only suppose Cllr. Ryan, who appears to be a personable guy, is making a small bit of mischief for both Sinn Féin and Fianna Fáil with this stance (although surely he got the heading wrong on his piece and it should read A vote for Fianna Fáil is a Vote for Sinn Féin – I’m almost certain that’s what he meant ) in view of the absolute anathema on the part of his party and Fine Gael to any form of electoral pact with Sinn Féin. [...]

]]> By: What did for Labour? 1992, 1994, 1997 and the slow slow decline of the Irish Labour Party… « The Cedar Lounge Revolution http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/from-the-inside-seamus-ryan-a-vote-for-sinn-fein-is-a-vote-for-fianna-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-3382 What did for Labour? 1992, 1994, 1997 and the slow slow decline of the Irish Labour Party… « The Cedar Lounge Revolution Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:23:23 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/10/from-the-inside-seamus-ryan-a-vote-for-sinn-fein-is-a-vote-for-fianna-fail/#comment-3382 [...] By the by a most educational post by Cllr. Seamus Ryan of the Labour Party on Irish Election which takes Sinn Féin to task for not ruling out support for a minority Fianna Fáil government. One can only suppose Cllr. Ryan, who appears to be a personable guy, is making a small bit of mischief for both Sinn Féin and Fianna Fáil with this stance (although surely he got the heading wrong on his piece and it should read A vote for Fianna Fáil is a Vote for Sinn Féin - I’m almost certain that’s what he meant;)) in view of the absolute anathema on the part of his party and Fine Gael to any form of electoral pact with Sinn Féin. [...] [...] By the by a most educational post by Cllr. Seamus Ryan of the Labour Party on Irish Election which takes Sinn Féin to task for not ruling out support for a minority Fianna Fáil government. One can only suppose Cllr. Ryan, who appears to be a personable guy, is making a small bit of mischief for both Sinn Féin and Fianna Fáil with this stance (although surely he got the heading wrong on his piece and it should read A vote for Fianna Fáil is a Vote for Sinn Féin – I’m almost certain that’s what he meant;)) in view of the absolute anathema on the part of his party and Fine Gael to any form of electoral pact with Sinn Féin. [...]

]]> By: killian http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/from-the-inside-seamus-ryan-a-vote-for-sinn-fein-is-a-vote-for-fianna-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-3326 killian Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:42:21 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/10/from-the-inside-seamus-ryan-a-vote-for-sinn-fein-is-a-vote-for-fianna-fail/#comment-3326 Fair enough simon, apologies. Fair enough simon, apologies.

]]> By: Seamus Ryan http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/from-the-inside-seamus-ryan-a-vote-for-sinn-fein-is-a-vote-for-fianna-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-3325 Seamus Ryan Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:41:28 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/10/from-the-inside-seamus-ryan-a-vote-for-sinn-fein-is-a-vote-for-fianna-fail/#comment-3325 Simon, there is also Reaching Out - an agreed policy on Mental Health which I am sure you will agree that there has been no focus up to now. However I do take your point regarding policies and in my original post I was really asking the question as to how will these policies or lack of them affect the outcome of the election? I believe that over the next few months you will see other agreed policies. But considering we are still 8 months out from an election we are not doing too bad? Simon, there is also Reaching Out – an agreed policy on Mental Health which I am sure you will agree that there has been no focus up to now. However I do take your point regarding policies and in my original post I was really asking the question as to how will these policies or lack of them affect the outcome of the election? I believe that over the next few months you will see other agreed policies. But considering we are still 8 months out from an election we are not doing too bad?

]]> By: Mark Dowling http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/from-the-inside-seamus-ryan-a-vote-for-sinn-fein-is-a-vote-for-fianna-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-3309 Mark Dowling Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:31:07 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/10/from-the-inside-seamus-ryan-a-vote-for-sinn-fein-is-a-vote-for-fianna-fail/#comment-3309 Ironic that it's only recently that the last time a vote for Labour was a vote for FF (when they went into coalition) was a feature of the shortlived Dublin airport "scandal" where Brian Cowen was about to be bang to rights for favouring developers over Aer Rianta only for him to say "shure I only did what Ruairi Quinn asked me to". Ironic that it’s only recently that the last time a vote for Labour was a vote for FF (when they went into coalition) was a feature of the shortlived Dublin airport “scandal” where Brian Cowen was about to be bang to rights for favouring developers over Aer Rianta only for him to say “shure I only did what Ruairi Quinn asked me to”.

]]> By: Simon http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/from-the-inside-seamus-ryan-a-vote-for-sinn-fein-is-a-vote-for-fianna-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-3300 Simon Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:37:16 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/10/from-the-inside-seamus-ryan-a-vote-for-sinn-fein-is-a-vote-for-fianna-fail/#comment-3300 <em>But surely the art of coalition is the art of compromise.</em> But surely the people have a right to have their voices heard. If they want a left wing government they should be able to vote for it. But when Labour goes in to government with Fine Gael at such an early stage they are compromising that stance. And instead get a vote for or against the government which is not what politics is about. <em>You see all the policy documents from Labour don’t really matter much. If as they claim that they will only go into govt with FG next time then the only policies documents that are worth reading are the ones they developed with FG.</em> That is my point about the lack of policies. Correct me if I am wrong but is the A&E he only joint one so far? But surely the art of coalition is the art of compromise. But surely the people have a right to have their voices heard. If they want a left wing government they should be able to vote for it. But when Labour goes in to government with Fine Gael at such an early stage they are compromising that stance. And instead get a vote for or against the government which is not what politics is about.

You see all the policy documents from Labour don’t really matter much. If as they claim that they will only go into govt with FG next time then the only policies documents that are worth reading are the ones they developed with FG.

That is my point about the lack of policies. Correct me if I am wrong but is the A&E he only joint one so far?

]]> By: Seamus Ryan http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/from-the-inside-seamus-ryan-a-vote-for-sinn-fein-is-a-vote-for-fianna-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-3299 Seamus Ryan Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:17:42 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/10/from-the-inside-seamus-ryan-a-vote-for-sinn-fein-is-a-vote-for-fianna-fail/#comment-3299 ESargeant, Thanks for the comment. You are quite right about one thing anyhow and that is that there are obvious policy contradictions between Labour and FG. Afterall we are two seperate parties with clear differences regarding areas such as Iraq/Shannon and privitsation to name but a few. But surely the art of coalition is the art of compromise. If the opportunity arises after the next election both parties will have to compromise on certain issues, otherwise we won't have a government. The point I was making is that the Labour Party is setting out its stall well ahead of the election allowing the electorate to have a clear choice. You can be too cynical and look for the catch that is not there. I have been honest regarding my own opinion and that is that I would prefer a Labour/FG/Green alternative. I know that there are those in the Labour Party who wouldn't agree with me on that but hey thats politics!!! Thanks again for the comment. ESargeant, Thanks for the comment. You are quite right about one thing anyhow and that is that there are obvious policy contradictions between Labour and FG. Afterall we are two seperate parties with clear differences regarding areas such as Iraq/Shannon and privitsation to name but a few. But surely the art of coalition is the art of compromise. If the opportunity arises after the next election both parties will have to compromise on certain issues, otherwise we won’t have a government. The point I was making is that the Labour Party is setting out its stall well ahead of the election allowing the electorate to have a clear choice. You can be too cynical and look for the catch that is not there. I have been honest regarding my own opinion and that is that I would prefer a Labour/FG/Green alternative. I know that there are those in the Labour Party who wouldn’t agree with me on that but hey thats politics!!!

Thanks again for the comment.

]]> By: ESargeant http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/from-the-inside-seamus-ryan-a-vote-for-sinn-fein-is-a-vote-for-fianna-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-3298 ESargeant Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:59:54 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/10/from-the-inside-seamus-ryan-a-vote-for-sinn-fein-is-a-vote-for-fianna-fail/#comment-3298 Labour record on entering coalition has always been driven by pragmatism - nothing more, nothing less. This sort of article is just so boring and dishonest. Politicians pouting and preening in front of and with potential suitors, pretending they have certain standards that they assume others recognise. The grubby reality is that Labour, like all others of the bigger parties, are power sluts willing to bend policy, bottom lines and position for a chance at government. The electorate also know this and so Labour attempt to scare people into voting for them to doomed to failure. I think the biggest shame with Ryan piece is its failure to say something positive, something fresh, something new. And also what I really want addressed before I decided is how are Labour going to solve the obvious policy contradictions with FG. You see all the policy documents from Labour don't really matter much. If as they claim that they will only go into govt with FG next time then the only policies documents that are worth reading are the ones they developed with FG. Labour position on Iraq/Shannon, transport and privatisation, to name but a few, are meaningless as they are more than aware that large compromises will be have to made to accommodate FG if they jointly got into govt. Labour record on entering coalition has always been driven by pragmatism – nothing more, nothing less. This sort of article is just so boring and dishonest. Politicians pouting and preening in front of and with potential suitors, pretending they have certain standards that they assume others recognise. The grubby reality is that Labour, like all others of the bigger parties, are power sluts willing to bend policy, bottom lines and position for a chance at government.

The electorate also know this and so Labour attempt to scare people into voting for them to doomed to failure. I think the biggest shame with Ryan piece is its failure to say something positive, something fresh, something new. And also what I really want addressed before I decided is how are Labour going to solve the obvious policy contradictions with FG.

You see all the policy documents from Labour don’t really matter much. If as they claim that they will only go into govt with FG next time then the only policies documents that are worth reading are the ones they developed with FG.

Labour position on Iraq/Shannon, transport and privatisation, to name but a few, are meaningless as they are more than aware that large compromises will be have to made to accommodate FG if they jointly got into govt.

]]> By: Simon http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/from-the-inside-seamus-ryan-a-vote-for-sinn-fein-is-a-vote-for-fianna-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-3289 Simon Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:16:14 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/10/from-the-inside-seamus-ryan-a-vote-for-sinn-fein-is-a-vote-for-fianna-fail/#comment-3289 Play the Ball not the man Killian. The comment with the insult has been deleted. Play the Ball not the man Killian. The comment with the insult has been deleted.

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