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		<title>By: Quit Whining at Irish Election</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/ban-all-donations/comment-page-1/#comment-18746</link>
		<dc:creator>Quit Whining at Irish Election</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 10:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] while I agree it the Greens on a ban on  corporate donations. But sometimes they just annoy me with it. They are like kids not wanting to play football and then [...]</description>
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		<title>By: A civil Service Trap? at Irish Election</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/ban-all-donations/comment-page-1/#comment-15111</link>
		<dc:creator>A civil Service Trap? at Irish Election</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this was in the context of banning corporate donations. Something I agree with. However the idea of restricting someone’s job prospects seems [...]</description>
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		<title>By: SOS</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/ban-all-donations/comment-page-1/#comment-2807</link>
		<dc:creator>SOS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Simon on the broad issue. 

Donations; gifts; and any benefits-in-kind will be always be open to abuse and the mere fact of their existence is reason enough to ban them completely.

Like it or not, the Exchequer is the only alternative method of cash funding. After all, the Government has no income. Any money they receive is unearned. 

As stated by Keith, RTE is obliged to afford time to all parties. 
Surely this facility could be extended, as a pre-condition to all owners of Broadcast Licences - TV3; TG4; East Coast radio; Talk 106 etc...

There is likely to be a grey area concerning IRA/Sinn Fein. Their election war chest has been built up largely from the proceeds of Crime. 
One can only wonder if FF have the will to challenge this source of &quot;income&quot;. 
Both Aherns, Dermot &amp; Bertie, have stated that they would have no problem entering into a future coalition with the IRA &amp; their political mouthpieces.

HOWEVER THE PROBLEM CAN ONLY BE RESOLVED BY AN IMMEDIATE, TOTAL BAN.

Thereafter, the various parties might submit suggestions for alternative funding and, in particular, provide a statement of what they consider necessary to prosecute an effective campaign, properly detailed &amp; costed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Simon on the broad issue. </p>
<p>Donations; gifts; and any benefits-in-kind will be always be open to abuse and the mere fact of their existence is reason enough to ban them completely.</p>
<p>Like it or not, the Exchequer is the only alternative method of cash funding. After all, the Government has no income. Any money they receive is unearned. </p>
<p>As stated by Keith, RTE is obliged to afford time to all parties.<br />
Surely this facility could be extended, as a pre-condition to all owners of Broadcast Licences &#8211; TV3; TG4; East Coast radio; Talk 106 etc&#8230;</p>
<p>There is likely to be a grey area concerning IRA/Sinn Fein. Their election war chest has been built up largely from the proceeds of Crime.<br />
One can only wonder if FF have the will to challenge this source of &#8220;income&#8221;.<br />
Both Aherns, Dermot &amp; Bertie, have stated that they would have no problem entering into a future coalition with the IRA &amp; their political mouthpieces.</p>
<p>HOWEVER THE PROBLEM CAN ONLY BE RESOLVED BY AN IMMEDIATE, TOTAL BAN.</p>
<p>Thereafter, the various parties might submit suggestions for alternative funding and, in particular, provide a statement of what they consider necessary to prosecute an effective campaign, properly detailed &amp; costed.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/ban-all-donations/comment-page-1/#comment-2760</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article, while I agree all donations are not the same, they are all corrupt to some degree.

Just for the record, the Green Party doesn’t accept corporate donations at all.

However, I dont agree that posters, leaflets etc should be banned, for the simple reason of freedom of speech. A dynamic and innovative party shoudn’t be stultified by the government telling them how to campaign.

I think that if all donations are banned, the only rational way to fund campaigns is by the taxpayer. Parties get an amount proportional to their support in the previous election. The money goes into a transparent account, and any election spending from any source becomes a criminal offence.

New independents and parties can spend their own money in their first election, and get it refunded if they reach a threshold, as now.

If taxpayers don’t want to pay for elections, they should consider whether it is better that politicians answer to them, or to the tent at the Galway Races.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article, while I agree all donations are not the same, they are all corrupt to some degree.</p>
<p>Just for the record, the Green Party doesn’t accept corporate donations at all.</p>
<p>However, I dont agree that posters, leaflets etc should be banned, for the simple reason of freedom of speech. A dynamic and innovative party shoudn’t be stultified by the government telling them how to campaign.</p>
<p>I think that if all donations are banned, the only rational way to fund campaigns is by the taxpayer. Parties get an amount proportional to their support in the previous election. The money goes into a transparent account, and any election spending from any source becomes a criminal offence.</p>
<p>New independents and parties can spend their own money in their first election, and get it refunded if they reach a threshold, as now.</p>
<p>If taxpayers don’t want to pay for elections, they should consider whether it is better that politicians answer to them, or to the tent at the Galway Races.</p>
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		<title>By: Limerick Lad</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/ban-all-donations/comment-page-1/#comment-2752</link>
		<dc:creator>Limerick Lad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not really want to see the political parties completely funded by the state given the abuse of the Opposition Leaders Allowance by Charles Haughey and Bertie Aherne to buy Charvet shirts for Charlie and romantic dinners for Terry and Charlie in &quot;Le Coq Hardi&quot; with blank cheques signed by Bertie.

I think that maybe a ban on companies bidding for and getting state contracts if they have given donations to the parties in government preceeding an election and then for the term that those parties are in Government.

We would then see it big business gives political donations to help the the political process or just themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not really want to see the political parties completely funded by the state given the abuse of the Opposition Leaders Allowance by Charles Haughey and Bertie Aherne to buy Charvet shirts for Charlie and romantic dinners for Terry and Charlie in &#8220;Le Coq Hardi&#8221; with blank cheques signed by Bertie.</p>
<p>I think that maybe a ban on companies bidding for and getting state contracts if they have given donations to the parties in government preceeding an election and then for the term that those parties are in Government.</p>
<p>We would then see it big business gives political donations to help the the political process or just themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Gaughan</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/ban-all-donations/comment-page-1/#comment-2746</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Gaughan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m actually thinking of production costs rather than studio time. While RTE are obliged to give them free air time, the bigger parties use their cash reserves to produce a slicker product.

Seeing as Cian decided to reuse the conference registration page for registering for Top Chumps, something I wasn&#039;t expecting at all, I might go back and rework it so it&#039;s not tied to conference registration and so that any fields beside name and email address are custom fields. It also seems like time to work out a nice, flexible structure for the conference pages so less work is needed to maintain and archive them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m actually thinking of production costs rather than studio time. While RTE are obliged to give them free air time, the bigger parties use their cash reserves to produce a slicker product.</p>
<p>Seeing as Cian decided to reuse the conference registration page for registering for Top Chumps, something I wasn&#8217;t expecting at all, I might go back and rework it so it&#8217;s not tied to conference registration and so that any fields beside name and email address are custom fields. It also seems like time to work out a nice, flexible structure for the conference pages so less work is needed to maintain and archive them.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think they pay for party poplitical broadcasts anyway. Being that they are on the state broadcaster. As for Party membership fees emm interesting actually yes. As for the navigation tabs. I changed them .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think they pay for party poplitical broadcasts anyway. Being that they are on the state broadcaster. As for Party membership fees emm interesting actually yes. As for the navigation tabs. I changed them .</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Gaughan</title>
		<link>http://www.irishelection.com/2006/10/ban-all-donations/comment-page-1/#comment-2739</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Gaughan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=116917&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;We must destroy the village to save it!&lt;/a&gt;&quot; :-)

Ok, maybe not, but I assume that the funds that would otherwise come from fundraising (which, I&#039;m afraid, is exactly how FG got all that money) would, instead, come from the Exchequer, right?

One downside of your scheme is that it might make the affair awfully dull. Does this extend to things like party political broadcasts and the like too? I guess websites and other such forms of advertising would be exempt because, let&#039;s face it, all the parties have equally awful websites. And what about party membership fees? Do they count as donations?

I&#039;m not just being facetious here, I&#039;m really wondering if these things count.

And on a completely separate subject, I &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; have to find a way to fix the navigation tabs along the top...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<a href="http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=116917" rel="nofollow">We must destroy the village to save it!</a>&#8221; <img src='http://www.irishelection.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Ok, maybe not, but I assume that the funds that would otherwise come from fundraising (which, I&#8217;m afraid, is exactly how FG got all that money) would, instead, come from the Exchequer, right?</p>
<p>One downside of your scheme is that it might make the affair awfully dull. Does this extend to things like party political broadcasts and the like too? I guess websites and other such forms of advertising would be exempt because, let&#8217;s face it, all the parties have equally awful websites. And what about party membership fees? Do they count as donations?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not just being facetious here, I&#8217;m really wondering if these things count.</p>
<p>And on a completely separate subject, I <em>really</em> have to find a way to fix the navigation tabs along the top&#8230;</p>
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