Comments on: PD Leader Must Choose Carefully http://www.irishelection.com/2006/09/pd-leader-must-choose-carefully/ Coverage of Irish Politics, News and Current Affairs Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:43:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.5 By: John Mortell’s blog » Blog Archive » Irish news…. http://www.irishelection.com/2006/09/pd-leader-must-choose-carefully/comment-page-1/#comment-2366 John Mortell’s blog » Blog Archive » Irish news…. Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:33:01 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/09/pd-leader-must-choose-carefully/#comment-2366 [...] Was just reading this article here on Irish Election and it has me wondering if any of you can direct me to a ‘good’ Irish news site. Not a blog, but an actual site like the BBC news service. I realised reading that article that my current access/knowledge to Irish News is rather pitiful. Suggestions? Explore posts in the same categories: Me, myself and I, Media [...] [...] Was just reading this article here on Irish Election and it has me wondering if any of you can direct me to a ‘good’ Irish news site. Not a blog, but an actual site like the BBC news service. I realised reading that article that my current access/knowledge to Irish News is rather pitiful. Suggestions? Explore posts in the same categories: Me, myself and I, Media [...]

]]> By: tomcosgrave http://www.irishelection.com/2006/09/pd-leader-must-choose-carefully/comment-page-1/#comment-2360 tomcosgrave Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:14:28 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/09/pd-leader-must-choose-carefully/#comment-2360 <em>Stephen Collins would be PD-leaning, as would Madam.</em> Collins wrote a book on them recently, called "Breaking the Mould". Madam is a former PD deputy, elected in 1987. She lost her seat in 1989. Stephen Collins would be PD-leaning, as would Madam.

Collins wrote a book on them recently, called “Breaking the Mould”.
Madam is a former PD deputy, elected in 1987. She lost her seat in 1989.

]]> By: Keith http://www.irishelection.com/2006/09/pd-leader-must-choose-carefully/comment-page-1/#comment-2357 Keith Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:57:57 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/09/pd-leader-must-choose-carefully/#comment-2357 Kevin, Stephen Collins would be PD-leaning, as would Madam. Sam Smyth has been known in the past to be a voice for what McDowell is really thinking (it's been put a bit more directly than that before!). Kevin,
Stephen Collins would be PD-leaning, as would Madam. Sam Smyth has been known in the past to be a voice for what McDowell is really thinking (it’s been put a bit more directly than that before!).

]]> By: tomcosgrave http://www.irishelection.com/2006/09/pd-leader-must-choose-carefully/comment-page-1/#comment-2355 tomcosgrave Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:53:53 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/09/pd-leader-must-choose-carefully/#comment-2355 I would tend to disagree for the most part, Cian. Some individuals in the other parties are lunatics, but the FF gene-pool has a far greater degree of lunacy! It all depends on your world view, I suppose. I would tend to disagree for the most part, Cian. Some individuals in the other parties are lunatics, but the FF gene-pool has a far greater degree of lunacy! It all depends on your world view, I suppose.

]]> By: Cian http://www.irishelection.com/2006/09/pd-leader-must-choose-carefully/comment-page-1/#comment-2354 Cian Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:27:27 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/09/pd-leader-must-choose-carefully/#comment-2354 <i>the lunatics have been in the asylum since 1997</i> lol The problem i find, to stretch the metaphor to tipping point, is that they are all lunatics the lunatics have been in the asylum since 1997
lol

The problem i find, to stretch the metaphor to tipping point, is that they are all lunatics

]]> By: tomcosgrave http://www.irishelection.com/2006/09/pd-leader-must-choose-carefully/comment-page-1/#comment-2353 tomcosgrave Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:24:35 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/09/pd-leader-must-choose-carefully/#comment-2353 As far as I am concerned, SOS, the lunatics have been in the asylum since 1997, and indeed, for the better part of my life (25 of 28 years), whether they be PD or FF. As far as I am concerned, SOS, the lunatics have been in the asylum since 1997, and indeed, for the better part of my life (25 of 28 years), whether they be PD or FF.

]]> By: SOS http://www.irishelection.com/2006/09/pd-leader-must-choose-carefully/comment-page-1/#comment-2345 SOS Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:02:54 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/09/pd-leader-must-choose-carefully/#comment-2345 Can you imagine what the State of the Nation might be today if McDowell had not climbed that tree? A Fianna Fail overall majority! Talk about the lunatics taking over the asylum. Can you imagine what the State of the Nation might be today if McDowell had not climbed that tree?

A Fianna Fail overall majority!

Talk about the lunatics taking over the asylum.

]]> By: Cian http://www.irishelection.com/2006/09/pd-leader-must-choose-carefully/comment-page-1/#comment-2344 Cian Fri, 29 Sep 2006 01:40:09 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/09/pd-leader-must-choose-carefully/#comment-2344 Mary seeing into the future or knowing made me think of the leaker in that position. I dont think she is the leaker nor do i think she knew. The leaker however was the leaker and did know. What was their aim in leaking it? What did they foresee as the outcome? Perhaps ruse is the wrong word but certainly the PDs must both play their "watchdog" card and unless their design is to leave government, reamain onside with their government partners. That means not being the ones to force bertie out and be willing to deal with him on wednesday should the FF party remain loyal (which i suspect they will). <i>Surely the PDs will be seen not as tough, but as spineless if they back Bertie on this.</i> The ruse, if that is the word, to my mind is that they will try (and quite likely succeed) to have it both ways. Back bertie and retain some spine. all im suggesting is that the PDs are reliant on the coverage of tonights manouevering in order to succeed in their tightrope walk between being tough and remaining in power. Mary seeing into the future or knowing made me think of the leaker in that position. I dont think she is the leaker nor do i think she knew. The leaker however was the leaker and did know.

What was their aim in leaking it? What did they foresee as the outcome?

Perhaps ruse is the wrong word but certainly the PDs must both play their “watchdog” card and unless their design is to leave government, reamain onside with their government partners. That means not being the ones to force bertie out and be willing to deal with him on wednesday should the FF party remain loyal (which i suspect they will).

Surely the PDs will be seen not as tough, but as spineless if they back Bertie on this.
The ruse, if that is the word, to my mind is that they will try (and quite likely succeed) to have it both ways. Back bertie and retain some spine.

all im suggesting is that the PDs are reliant on the coverage of tonights manouevering in order to succeed in their tightrope walk between being tough and remaining in power.

]]> By: P O'Neill http://www.irishelection.com/2006/09/pd-leader-must-choose-carefully/comment-page-1/#comment-2343 P O'Neill Fri, 29 Sep 2006 01:29:30 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/09/pd-leader-must-choose-carefully/#comment-2343 Today's <a href="http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2006/0929/1158591182274.html" rel="nofollow">Irish Times</a> says that bertie only brought up Manchester because he thought the IT already had the story. I wonder if the story has circulated for a while? <em>The Taoiseach, it is understood, revealed the existence of the Manchester money because he believed The Irish Times had information about it but was unable to publish the details.</em> <em>Today, Irish Times editor Geraldine Kennedy and Public Affairs Correspondent Colm Keena will appear before a public hearing of the Mahon tribunal to answer questions on this newspaper's report of the payments received by Mr Ahern.</em> Today’s Irish Times says that bertie only brought up Manchester because he thought the IT already had the story. I wonder if the story has circulated for a while?

The Taoiseach, it is understood, revealed the existence of the Manchester money because he believed The Irish Times had information about it but was unable to publish the details.

Today, Irish Times editor Geraldine Kennedy and Public Affairs Correspondent Colm Keena will appear before a public hearing of the Mahon tribunal to answer questions on this newspaper’s report of the payments received by Mr Ahern.

]]> By: Kevin http://www.irishelection.com/2006/09/pd-leader-must-choose-carefully/comment-page-1/#comment-2342 Kevin Fri, 29 Sep 2006 01:26:29 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/09/pd-leader-must-choose-carefully/#comment-2342 Cian, I'm a little puzzled; could you expand on that point? This supposed ruse: if so, who by? Also, the public can see clearly, I would hope, that the PDs are in this very impossible position as described, and that, if the case were otherwise, the party would censure Bertie with a great deal more vehemenence. Surely the PDs will be seen not as tough, but as spineless if they back Bertie on this. Further, what journalists? You say it with an air of clandestine, so unless the e-mails are tapped too, an email will suffice. Unless I've misread the sentence's tone, in which case, just say it here. Cian,

I’m a little puzzled; could you expand on that point? This supposed ruse: if so, who by? Also, the public can see clearly, I would hope, that the PDs are in this very impossible position as described, and that, if the case were otherwise, the party would censure Bertie with a great deal more vehemenence. Surely the PDs will be seen not as tough, but as spineless if they back Bertie on this.

Further, what journalists? You say it with an air of clandestine, so unless the e-mails are tapped too, an email will suffice. Unless I’ve misread the sentence’s tone, in which case, just say it here.

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