Comments on: Carpe Bertio http://www.irishelection.com/2006/09/carpe-bertio/ Coverage of Irish Politics, News and Current Affairs Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:23:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.5 By: With McDowell as Leader and Other Short Paragraphs at Irish Election http://www.irishelection.com/2006/09/carpe-bertio/comment-page-1/#comment-1989 With McDowell as Leader and Other Short Paragraphs at Irish Election Tue, 19 Sep 2006 14:44:28 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/09/carpe-bertio/#comment-1989 [...] Having read this, Simon of the Dossing Times, opined that Latin’s very presence in McDowell’s speech, or indeed his vocabulary, could well be the reason the PDs are in the struggle oft-spoken of. Of intellectualism, Simon claims, the general population are suspicious. Usually, this blog would delve into the meaning of intellectualism, the qualification of the word ‘intellectual’ and what relation Latin might have to the two. To those who read this blog for reasons pertaining to those discussions, I will disappoint you by moving on, but as I will soon always say: reality first if possible, philosophising second. I replied to Simon’s post at the time, and its content is such which I think deserves repeating. The Progressive Democrats aren’t aiming to form a government themselves, as Richard highlights, they don’t even field candidates in most constituencies. They are a niche party, appealing to the often-snooty middle-classes and, despite what Richard might say about their actually being better for the poorer, I expect they are intent on remaining as such. [...] [...] Having read this, Simon of the Dossing Times, opined that Latin’s very presence in McDowell’s speech, or indeed his vocabulary, could well be the reason the PDs are in the struggle oft-spoken of. Of intellectualism, Simon claims, the general population are suspicious. Usually, this blog would delve into the meaning of intellectualism, the qualification of the word ‘intellectual’ and what relation Latin might have to the two. To those who read this blog for reasons pertaining to those discussions, I will disappoint you by moving on, but as I will soon always say: reality first if possible, philosophising second. I replied to Simon’s post at the time, and its content is such which I think deserves repeating. The Progressive Democrats aren’t aiming to form a government themselves, as Richard highlights, they don’t even field candidates in most constituencies. They are a niche party, appealing to the often-snooty middle-classes and, despite what Richard might say about their actually being better for the poorer, I expect they are intent on remaining as such. [...]

]]> By: simon http://www.irishelection.com/2006/09/carpe-bertio/comment-page-1/#comment-1888 simon Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:13:20 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/09/carpe-bertio/#comment-1888 <em>We definitely have a class society - in a different way to NI, but it’s there all the same.</em> Well I did say "to the same extent". I was more talking about the attitude rather then the finacial situation. It is far less then in NI and Britain. There you have your place and you know it. Here you can leave your place. If someone comes successful in ireland from ballymun they come successful. In Britian and NI they are always be from ballymun. We definitely have a class society – in a different way to NI, but it’s there all the same.
Well I did say “to the same extent”. I was more talking about the attitude rather then the finacial situation. It is far less then in NI and Britain. There you have your place and you know it. Here you can leave your place. If someone comes successful in ireland from ballymun they come successful. In Britian and NI they are always be from ballymun.

]]> By: SOS http://www.irishelection.com/2006/09/carpe-bertio/comment-page-1/#comment-1886 SOS Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:51:59 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/09/carpe-bertio/#comment-1886 Kevin has been very perceptive in his comments. Bertie Ahern is very sure of himself in his latest manifestation - currently the advocate of a strong economy. He never tries to be all things to all men, just to the men in the pub, as Simon so aptly quoted. His biggest fear will be the situation when the Celtic Tiger begins to lose its growl and the Housing Market no longer offers the type of security for today's enormous borrowing, now nudging €300 billion. When the omelette hits the fan, probably early in 2008, and unemployment begins to increase, we will see class warfare on a scale unprecedented in Ireland. Bertie is all too aware of the type of backlash that is going to take place and Sinn Fein/IRA will be there to rub it in. "I told you so", as they canvass unemployed FF voters with the promise of a Marxist Utopia, Cuban style. The first reaction will be against the immigrants, the new "invaders" who will be accused of taking the bread out of the mouths of innocent Irish infants. CORI will say "I told you so". And Bertie, the "Born Again Socialist", will have to move away from his present platform - "It's the Economy (2007) Stupid " and revert to sackcloth. The second reaction will be against the Banks; they whose profligate lending has been the cause of the collapse. Then the Developers/Builders. Who will, in all probability have moved to .... Monte Carlo... the Netherlands..... Barbados.... Well away from the tattered omelettes on the walls. Meanwhile, back home, the masses of Mercedes-Benz; BMWs; Range Rovers & Rolls/Bentleys will be on offer at 5%/10% of what the temporary Owners borrowed. Carpe Diem. Kevin has been very perceptive in his comments.

Bertie Ahern is very sure of himself in his latest manifestation – currently the advocate of a strong economy. He never tries to be all things to all men, just to the men in the pub, as Simon so aptly quoted.

His biggest fear will be the situation when the Celtic Tiger begins to lose its growl and the Housing Market no longer offers the type of security for today’s enormous borrowing, now nudging €300 billion.

When the omelette hits the fan, probably early in 2008, and unemployment begins to increase, we will see class warfare on a scale unprecedented in Ireland.

Bertie is all too aware of the type of backlash that is going to take place and Sinn Fein/IRA will be there to rub it in. “I told you so”, as they canvass unemployed FF voters with the promise of a Marxist Utopia, Cuban style.

The first reaction will be against the immigrants, the new “invaders” who will be accused of taking the bread out of the mouths of innocent Irish infants.

CORI will say “I told you so”.

And Bertie, the “Born Again Socialist”, will have to move away from his present platform – “It’s the Economy (2007) Stupid ” and revert to sackcloth.

The second reaction will be against the Banks; they whose profligate lending has been the cause of the collapse.

Then the Developers/Builders. Who will, in all probability have moved to …. Monte Carlo… the Netherlands….. Barbados….

Well away from the tattered omelettes on the walls.

Meanwhile, back home, the masses of Mercedes-Benz; BMWs; Range Rovers & Rolls/Bentleys will be on offer at 5%/10% of what the temporary Owners borrowed.

Carpe Diem.

]]> By: tomcosgrave http://www.irishelection.com/2006/09/carpe-bertio/comment-page-1/#comment-1885 tomcosgrave Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:58:49 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/09/carpe-bertio/#comment-1885 <em>We in Ireland do not have much of a class society</em> Are you kidding me? Three points - Look at the Dublin riot. Look at how weblogs reported on it. Head into the inner city and take a look around. Examine how travellers are treated in Ireland. We definitely have a class society - in a different way to NI, but it's there all the same. We in Ireland do not have much of a class society

Are you kidding me? Three points –

Look at the Dublin riot. Look at how weblogs reported on it.
Head into the inner city and take a look around.
Examine how travellers are treated in Ireland.

We definitely have a class society – in a different way to NI, but it’s there all the same.

]]> By: cp http://www.irishelection.com/2006/09/carpe-bertio/comment-page-1/#comment-1884 cp Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:18:29 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/09/carpe-bertio/#comment-1884 i am bearing in mind that the PDs have been in power longer than they have been out of it - i think they will do well in the next election - one of the first things mcdowell said as leader was he wanted to double the no. of seats they had - it'll be interesting how they try to achieve it i am bearing in mind that the PDs have been in power longer than they have been out of it – i think they will do well in the next election – one of the first things mcdowell said as leader was he wanted to double the no. of seats they had – it’ll be interesting how they try to achieve it

]]> By: Kevin http://www.irishelection.com/2006/09/carpe-bertio/comment-page-1/#comment-1880 Kevin Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:04:32 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/09/carpe-bertio/#comment-1880 If it were anybody but the PDs I'd probably agree, but it is the PDs, so I'll have to disagree. The Progressive Democrats aren't aiming to form a government themselves, as Richard highlights, they don't even field candidates in most constituencies. They are a niche party, appealing to the often-snooty middle-classes and, despite what Richard might say about their actually being better for the poorer, I expect they are intent on remaining as such. If it were anybody but the PDs I’d probably agree, but it is the PDs, so I’ll have to disagree. The Progressive Democrats aren’t aiming to form a government themselves, as Richard highlights, they don’t even field candidates in most constituencies. They are a niche party, appealing to the often-snooty middle-classes and, despite what Richard might say about their actually being better for the poorer, I expect they are intent on remaining as such.

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