Comments on: Is Liberal Ireland going to stand for this. http://www.irishelection.com/2006/05/is-liberal-ireland-going-to-stand-for-this/ Coverage of Irish Politics, News and Current Affairs Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:43:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.5 By: simon http://www.irishelection.com/2006/05/is-liberal-ireland-going-to-stand-for-this/comment-page-1/#comment-696 simon Sun, 07 May 2006 20:32:45 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/?p=264#comment-696 <em>nyhoo, I try to avoid voting “against” anyone, so if I were to vote for party X, it probably wouldn’t be to keep party Y out</em> Great I have to ask the last idealist left :) nyhoo, I try to avoid voting “against” anyone, so if I were to vote for party X, it probably wouldn’t be to keep party Y out

Great I have to ask the last idealist left :)

]]> By: click here http://www.irishelection.com/2006/05/is-liberal-ireland-going-to-stand-for-this/comment-page-1/#comment-695 click here Sun, 07 May 2006 20:29:51 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/?p=264#comment-695 "Will you vote Fianna Fail now as they will be the only party that will keep Fine Gael out. ?" Young man! The ballot is secret for a good reason - it is simply not the done thing to ask anyone how they vote. Dear, oh dear... Anyhoo, I try to avoid voting "against" anyone, so if I were to vote for party X, it probably wouldn't be to keep party Y out. (Also, I don't find there's much of a real difference between Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael. ..Except for shirts of blue and DeVophiles..) :) “Will you vote Fianna Fail now as they will be the only party that will keep Fine Gael out. ?”

Young man! The ballot is secret for a good reason – it is simply not the done thing to ask anyone how they vote. Dear, oh dear…

Anyhoo, I try to avoid voting “against” anyone, so if I were to vote for party X, it probably wouldn’t be to keep party Y out. (Also, I don’t find there’s much of a real difference between Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael. ..Except for shirts of blue and DeVophiles..)
:)

]]> By: simon http://www.irishelection.com/2006/05/is-liberal-ireland-going-to-stand-for-this/comment-page-1/#comment-694 simon Sun, 07 May 2006 20:03:12 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/?p=264#comment-694 From what he said he did not deferenciate between people likely to re-offend and anyone on bail. From what he said he did not deferenciate between people likely to re-offend and anyone on bail.

]]> By: Dan Sullivan http://www.irishelection.com/2006/05/is-liberal-ireland-going-to-stand-for-this/comment-page-1/#comment-693 Dan Sullivan Sun, 07 May 2006 19:51:41 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/?p=264#comment-693 "While much of Enda Kenny’s speech was about government waste there was 1 or 2 things that must be making every Labour TD grind their teeth and wish they were going in with Fianna Fail. Back in January 2005 Michael McDowell wanted to electronically tag low risk offenders instead of jailing them. People who have committed crimes but not serious one.( I am presuming Joy riding shop lifting etc) and the Joe Costello TD of the Labour party came out and said “I agree with the Irish Penal Reform Trust that tagging should not be used for offenders who would not normally receive a custodial sentence.” Now Fine Gael want to tag people out on bail. People who have not even been convicted. I cannot imagine many in Labour being practically happy about that at all. Indeed many of the liberal supporting members of the Labour party may well be appalled at this idea. And you know what they would not be wrong." The tagging as I understood it is intended to be used in combination the legislation for denying bails for those with previous convictions and who are consider a risk for re-offending while on bail. And in fairness the people passed a referendum on this and it hasn't been followed up. Joe Costello comments were with regard to those who would not if convicted receive a custodial sentence and that is not likely to be people with previous convictions. If we have people not getting sentences despite a history of convictions for serious offenses then we might as well abandon any hope in the judicary we have. “While much of Enda Kenny’s speech was about government waste there was 1 or 2 things that must be making every Labour TD grind their teeth and wish they were going in with Fianna Fail. Back in January 2005 Michael McDowell wanted to electronically tag low risk offenders instead of jailing them. People who have committed crimes but not serious one.( I am presuming Joy riding shop lifting etc) and the Joe Costello TD of the Labour party came out and said “I agree with the Irish Penal Reform Trust that tagging should not be used for offenders who would not normally receive a custodial sentence.” Now Fine Gael want to tag people out on bail. People who have not even been convicted. I cannot imagine many in Labour being practically happy about that at all. Indeed many of the liberal supporting members of the Labour party may well be appalled at this idea. And you know what they would not be wrong.”

The tagging as I understood it is intended to be used in combination the legislation for denying bails for those with previous convictions and who are consider a risk for re-offending while on bail. And in fairness the people passed a referendum on this and it hasn’t been followed up. Joe Costello comments were with regard to those who would not if convicted receive a custodial sentence and that is not likely to be people with previous convictions. If we have people not getting sentences despite a history of convictions for serious offenses then we might as well abandon any hope in the judicary we have.

]]> By: Simon http://www.irishelection.com/2006/05/is-liberal-ireland-going-to-stand-for-this/comment-page-1/#comment-690 Simon Sun, 07 May 2006 16:53:53 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/?p=264#comment-690 Good to see you are working on the placards. :) Will you vote Fianna Fail now as they will be the only party that will keep Fine Gael out. ? Good to see you are working on the placards. :)

Will you vote Fianna Fail now as they will be the only party that will keep Fine Gael out. ?

]]> By: click here http://www.irishelection.com/2006/05/is-liberal-ireland-going-to-stand-for-this/comment-page-1/#comment-689 click here Sun, 07 May 2006 16:45:43 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/?p=264#comment-689 "If this was Michael McDowell the Amnesty International Labour brigade would be on the streets with plenty of Herr McDowell posters" I'm working on it, but these placards take time! I refer you to <a href="http://clickhere.blogs.ie/2006/05/06/inda-calls-for-mob-rule-to-influence-dpp/" rel="nofollow">Pinko-Exhibit A</a> ;-) Thanks to squid posting the links to the appropriately-titled YouTube footage of Inda, I'll surely have a rant at some point this month (or year..?). Will that do, mister Simon?! Yours etc., Pinko McPink. :-) “If this was Michael McDowell the Amnesty International Labour brigade would be on the streets with plenty of Herr McDowell posters”

I’m working on it, but these placards take time!
I refer you to Pinko-Exhibit A ;-)

Thanks to squid posting the links to the appropriately-titled YouTube footage of Inda, I’ll surely have a rant at some point this month (or year..?).

Will that do, mister Simon?!

Yours etc.,
Pinko McPink.
:-)

]]> By: Squid http://www.irishelection.com/2006/05/is-liberal-ireland-going-to-stand-for-this/comment-page-1/#comment-685 Squid Sun, 07 May 2006 03:28:51 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/?p=264#comment-685 The crime rate in Ireland might be small, however the ones most likely to be fearful of it, are the ones who are more likely to vote, the older generations. The crime rate in Ireland might be small, however the ones most likely to be fearful of it, are the ones who are more likely to vote, the older generations.

]]> By: Simon http://www.irishelection.com/2006/05/is-liberal-ireland-going-to-stand-for-this/comment-page-1/#comment-684 Simon Sat, 06 May 2006 23:56:19 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/?p=264#comment-684 I read somewhere else that the election could desend into a race to the toughest on crime. Yet Ireland's crime rate is quiet small. Yet listening to the media and TD you think We were living in Boyz in the Hood. I read somewhere else that the election could desend into a race to the toughest on crime. Yet Ireland’s crime rate is quiet small. Yet listening to the media and TD you think We were living in Boyz in the Hood.

]]> By: Cian http://www.irishelection.com/2006/05/is-liberal-ireland-going-to-stand-for-this/comment-page-1/#comment-683 Cian Sat, 06 May 2006 21:51:13 +0000 http://www.irishelection.com/?p=264#comment-683 I would like to think I am just as willing to call Fine Gael and Labour to account for illiberal justice ministers (we just havent had the chance for a while) as I am McDowell, to be honest Ive always been uncomfortable with FG's attempt to out law and order McDowell. FG and Labour share divisions between liberals and illiberals (some might say authoritarians). I think we should all be prepared for the FG hardlininig if they succeed next year. I would like to think I am just as willing to call Fine Gael and Labour to account for illiberal justice ministers (we just havent had the chance for a while) as I am McDowell, to be honest Ive always been uncomfortable with FG’s attempt to out law and order McDowell.

FG and Labour share divisions between liberals and illiberals (some might say authoritarians). I think we should all be prepared for the FG hardlininig if they succeed next year.

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