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The Indo has details of a survey about Muslim attitudes in Ireland. Some details:
73% believe they are fully integrated into Irish society, with 77% saying they feel accepted here.
More than a third—36%—would prefer Ireland to be ruled under Sharia law, while 37% would like Ireland to be governed as an Islamic state.
Now I have to wonder how “prefer” is defined; is it that they would like it if they got it but not pushed about getting it or they would be proactive in campaigning for it. But possibly the most worrying aspect is:
It found 28% of young Muslims aged between 16 and 26 believe violence for political ends is sometimes justified.
More than half of young Muslims—57%—believe Ireland should become an Islamic State.
Almost one-in-five—19%—said they “respect” al-Qa’ida terrorist leader Osama Bin Laden, but the same number of those polled supported US President George Bush. However, the findings generally reveal strong liberal opinions among Irish-based Muslims.
There is about 40,000 Muslims in Ireland or circa 1% of the population; is there anything we can do to integrate the youth who do not see Ireland as a home, or do we have to be ready to defend our way of life from the minority of Muslims who are extremists?
The sad reality is that Islam has shown itself unwilling to adopt to Western culture. It serves no fruitful purpose to deny the reality we have seen in the form of 911, Madrid, London, Van Gogh murder in Holland, and the French riots. The reality is that we are dealing with a culture with a value-system radically divorced from Western norms. You only have to recall the Danish cartoon hysteria to understand that. I advocate tighter controls on Muslim immigration in that context.
I wonder if there are any figures out there as to the percentage of Irish Christians who “would prefer Ireland to be ruled under Catholic/Christian law”? My guess is quite a few, though perhaps concentrated in the older end of the population.
As for people who think violence is justified for political ends, well when you live in Belfast…..
I’m not saying this news is not disturbing: I just wonder how disturbed we ought to be…
Luckily Christian law doesn’t have quite the same stance on women, homosexuals, Jews, atheists and polytheists as Muslim law, so it’s not quite the same thing.
the exact wording of that question was, i believe, “Ireland would be better off if it were governed according to Sharia law”
> so its a very weak sort of belief/endorsement with no way of saying its a strong feeling
“and More than half of young Muslims—57%—believe Ireland should become an Islamic State.” was not the same thing; they were asked would they to see it as such
so i really dont think its worth worrying too much about, especially given that the results show that the overwhelming majority of Irish muslims are exceptionally liberal
as for “It found 28% of young Muslims aged between 16 and 26 believe violence for political ends is sometimes justified”…
> well & a lot of non-muslims in ireland (and elsewhere) would also agree with some of these ’stronger statements’ re: political violence, etc…
not everyone is a gandhi!
(remember that mandela was branded a terrorist for a long time, as were many other future statesmen, e.g michael collins, etc)
You know what, I’m not in anyway a supported of Sharia Law, but in defense of those who think Ireland would be better off if governed according to Sharia law, they probably conceptualise it rather differently to us.
We think of it solely in terms of stoning women and what have you. I imagine they think of the more positive aspects. There’s many Irish people that think the country would be better off without “Podge and Rodge” culture, binge drinking, Page 3 and drug barons.
…28% of young Muslims aged between 16 and 26 believe violence for political ends is sometimes justified…
Depends how you ask the question. If you asked a bunch of Irish 16-26 year olds whether or not the 1916 Rising was justified and then used the answer to say that violence for political ends is justified, you’d get result in the 70%+ range, I’d think. You ask the same demographic while using World War 2 as your example, you’ll get an even higher result.
And, to quote the great “Yes, Minister”:
“Mr. Woolley, are you worried about the rise in crime among teenagers?”
“Yes”
“Do you think there is lack of discipline and vigorous training in our Comprehensive Schools?”
“Yes”
“Do you think young people welcome some structure and leadership in their lives?”
“Yes”
“Do they respond to a challenge?”
“Yes”
“Might you be in favor of reintroducing National Service?”
“Yes”
Now try the alternative line of questioning:
“Mr. Woolley, are you worried about the danger of war?”
“Yes”
“Are you unhappy about the growth of armaments?”
“Yes”
“Do you think there’s a danger in giving young people guns and teaching them how to kill?”
“Yes”
“Do you think its wrong to force people to take up arms against their will?”
“Yes”
“Would you oppose the introduction of National Service?”
“Yes”
Bravo Keith,
Never underestimate the value of humour.
Something sadly lacking among the followers of Islam.
Some years ago, in London, I sat on a 295 bus beside a Muslim girl, no more than 12/13, suitably burkhad against the blistering heat. She had a small, pamphlet type of book.
Such was her concentration that I tried to read the name.
Immediately she sought to hide it.
So, like any le Carre spy, I hid behind my newspaper, awaiting my opportunity.
And there it was — “Conditions in Certain Prisons in Algeria”.
What hope had she of a normal childhood?
Here the IRA mullahs used to incite Murder, knowing that they could plead that they were at war — &, if caught, get a cushy billet in prison, like the killers of Detective McCabe.
Were they prepared to die for their country, like the Suicide Bombers of Islam?
Bollocks!
But they were prepared to Kill — and still are; daily; in their continued fight to control the multi-billion drug trade that they and other IRA godfathers operate.
And where do they get their AK-47s etc?
From their “so-Called” decommissioned stockpiles.
Where else?
So let’s solve our own problems first.
Personally, I find it terrifying that 36% of Muslims, here in Ireland, support the imposition of Sharia Laws; that 19% respect Osana bin Laden and that 57% of the young (12/13 year olds?) feel that Ireland should be an Islamic state.
And we moan about 800 years of English occupation!
And, for the sake of the record, the descendants of the Norman settlers - from 800 years ago - and now - are not impressed by being called English.
And Senor de Valera liked to think he was Irish.
And, of course, St. Patrick was born in Drumcondra - not Bristol.
It’s New Year’s Day.
Time to stop going backwards into the Future.
Ha Ha,
Yiz are so funny… Lies damn lies and statistics–
Firstly, they mixed Sunni and Shia, which is ridiculous as they are incompatible.
Only Shiah’s could respect Bush, he murders Sunni’s. I wonder how they found the Muslims to survey! After all you can’t just ask people on Grafton Street, if they just asked people at the Mosque, then they are missing out on a very large number of Muslims. Think about it? How many Muslim women were interviewed….?? I am a Muslim woman and I am in contact with many other Irish Muslims none of whom were interviewed.
Regarding Islam in Ireland, I support the fight for Irish independance from British rule, always have, I became Muslim at 24. I always supported the Palestinian’s right to independance. I am against oppression in all forms and yes if Muslims tried to steal someone’s country I would be against that too.
I am Irish and I belong here in my home country, I wear a scarf coz I want to and if anyone doesn’t like it, tough!!! You either believe in human rights or you don’t. It is utterly hypocritical to equate democracy and freedom with the oppression of a person’s right to practice the religion of their choice…………
Is Mise
Hanifah xxx
Has anyone seen the documentary on U-tube called “Undercover mosque” Its a hoot these British born Sunni Muslims talk about taking over Europe.
I would not concern myself with worries of Muslim domination,They are no more a threat to western society as a pandemic of acne. The fundamentalist ideals and goals as you know spring from the middle ages and their mentality has not evolved much since then. Don’t get me wrong I know they are capable of such things as 9/11, But they have no where near the capacity for world domination which is their long term goal. First of all they say that they are the fastest growing religion and that the time will come when they are simply too many of the them for Democracy to be able to contain them. That they will elect their people to political office and when they are in the majority they will then do away with the democratic system an impose sharia law. I ask you in all fairness talk about not thinking things through. First of all they should have kept this to themselves because now that we know about this childish plan its never going to happen, but more importantly it would be impossible.These guys are thinking small scale something like that would have to happen in every democratic state on the face of the earth at almost the exact same time for it to succeed. If it didn’t and they imposed Sharia law in say France, do you think the rest of the world would sit by and let it happen to them also,not to mention they would have to control all the military in these countries in order for them to prevail.
They say that at present there is 1.5 billion Muslim in the world behind them. Not true Islam is a divided religion.The Shiite’s and the Sunni’s forms of Islam is so fundamentally different it makes them bigger enemies of each other than it does of the west, also there are the moderate Muslims like you find in Turkey where women refuse to wear the hi jab.The fundamentalists are lashing out at the west because they are a dying breed they’re trying to make as much noise as they can. And fool as many moderates to their flag before they are all gone What is the old saying about empty vessels making the most noise.
In the next hundred years or so these guys will have disappeared and the Muslims of the middle east and the far east will have grown enough intellectually to question the very essence of the Islamic way, and asked why do we suppress Muslim women who are at the very least our intellectual equals if not more so if the present crop of Imam’s are taking into the equation. Why do we prevent our children from integrating and learning about other cultures as the west has done for centuries, why must we limit their education to the constant study of a book written at a time when even the western civilization’s best scholars thought the world was flat.
The so called professors of Islam (the Imam’s)are no more intelligent than a small boy with a piece of paper and a crayon drawing up childish plans of world domination,crudely conceived and impossible to carry out.
So finally I would like to say to all the people of the west put your concerns about these people behind you they are no more dangerous than a pedophile living in your town once you know where he is and what he is up to at all times theres nothing to worry about, just keep an eye on him until he gets old withers and fades away.
The real enemy the human race has to worry about is ignorance the same ignorance that keeps such a backward religion as Islam on the go is helping the rise of Evangelical Christians to the same ascendancy in western countries these two extremes are the cause for the present situation find ourselves in. If Humanity is to stand the test of time we must turn our back on such primitive doctrine and leave it in the past where it belongs.
Martin
what matters is that all Muslims support a united island of Ireland. All Muslims in NI must vote Sinn Fein and encourage those around them to do likewise. it is an Islamic obligation to support justice and seek and enjoin good for all peoples in all times.
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Muslim free europe by 2010
ARE YOU SERIOUS MUSLIMS ARE NOT WELCOME HERE AND IF THEY THINK THIS COUNRTY WILL EVER BECOME ISLAMIC THEY THERE BADLY MISTAKEN THEY SHOULD BE SHOT …?
Ireland should kick out the muslims before there is an increase in terrorist attacks, rapes, and violence similar to what is being seen in Sweden and London. Ireland is a great nation with strong cultural heritage that should be put first before a tiny muslim minority. Islam’s barbaric ideals have no place in Ireland.
There is a numerous conclusions on Islam based off the news on media. in reality, we are negligent to read and understand a faith. When Jesus proclaimed peace, jew rejected it. When Mohamed proclaimed peace, it was the same result but a different set of people now. The method involved as presribed by God to handle the oppression itself is a test and true evidence to the supreme knowledge of God.
As a muslim for 30 years, I have encountered only everyday of better understanding and internal bliss through this religion. I invite you to feel and nourish your souls through this beautiful word of God.
Islam is not a religion of peace as it claims. Everywhere Muslims migrate too they want their way of life enforced on others. For example,Muslims want to impose sharia in Ireland or England or where ever else.This is not peace. Having multiple wives is not peace, it is oppression and slavery. Calling for the murder of persons who critisize islam is not peace.Female genital mutilation, beatings, beheading and hangings is not peace. The destruction of Mosques by opposing Islamic sects and killing innocent worshippers is not peace. Study your own history Muslims! Islam did not spread by peaceful missionary work, but only by the sword. The Koran is evidence itself with many references on violence to the “nonbeliever”. If Muslims are so concerned about living their religion, then why don’t they stay in their own countries and practice it.
Furthermore, Muslims are free to practice their faith in western countries,not to mention demonstrate,riot,and otherwise speakout when they feel their rights are violated; unlike a western man in a Muslim country who would be murdered if he behaved the same way by the religion of peace.
In conclusion, if you Muslims don’t like what I have to say you can kiss my white Irish ass!
John Murphy said alot sh** but in the last sentence he has told himself what he is made of. haha God Bless Ya!