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It is qualified somewhat;
“Sinn Féin is calling for a rights based approach to housing where the good of the people will be put before the profits of property speculators and developers. The right to private property, when such property is being held to jack up house prices, is secondary to the needs of the people.”
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Commie crap!!
a discussion about the housing crisis is needed
the ability of those first time buyers to purchase in the traditional way
and how it is damn near impossible without a forty year mortgage
the abilty of others to buy affordable housing ( so called because the site is given free
and the real needs of those utterly unable to house themselves who must be given social housing (to rent) many of these men, whose lives have fallen apart for various reasons
theres no point in slagging the shinners at least they want the subject discussed
so, how many of the larger parties have anything to say on this serious issue
obviously not fianna fail, theyve had almost ten years to make a bags of it
there are lots of others who dont want it discussed because of vested interests
ive said it before, let all those contesting the next election have to declare all their assets
on paper and that includes the shinners
of course a discussion on housing has to include apartment design, developers . management companies and the low standards of planners across the country
i wont hold me breath ……………
ive said it before, let all those contesting the next election have to declare all their assets they do as far as i am aware. I will get into this later
I think housing is a huge issue molly. There are a number of posts on here recently and more to come no doubt. In terms of debate, the sinn fein point is put so stridently as to court a debate that we agre needs to happen. Slag or not the issues will tumble out.
I think that public provision of housing, taking the sting out of demand and meeting hte recommendation for 73,000 houses in 8 years on the public lists is the only way forward. Its a huge commitment in funding terms but it should be done and in accord to spatial strategies and what not. That kildare only has 2(at last check) is a disgrace and one that the government should be ashamed of.
Noone can bring it up too well becuase its intricately related to the way this economy has generated wealth for the last decade-construction. If prices go down with demand our most productive (loose sense) industry goes too (sooner than its due to go-after which there appears to be no plan)
Perhaps if I was so bold as to suggest taht the investment in public infrastructure at a time of bursting bubbles might be helpful to the economy? I know keynes isnt fashionable anymore but if we go belly up with the young and new migrants unable to get a roof its tragic.
how would we go about it? Centrally? Through the councils? Through another quango? And on whose terms? Electorate or spatial strategist, geographer and architect?
Look at the hassle Prescott had (perhaps translation issues there)
Actually, mollie FG have a number of policies in the area, but I’m going to give you a few hours to look for yourself (to see if you can be bothered to look up anything for yourself) before I’ll post them.
As for this ““Sinn Féin is calling for a rights based approach to housing where the good of the people will be put before the profits of property speculators and developers. The right to private property, when such property is being held to jack up house prices, is secondary to the needs of the people.”
Claptrap, first off SF have proposed to insert into the constitution a right to housing. Now, what consistutions housing? And do families have a big right than single people? Do bigger families have a greater right than smaller ones? Does these mean people should be moved on from houses as their children fly the nest? Does it mean that in urban areas we should demolish entire communities in local authority semis to ensure higher density? After all, the front and back gardens in many areas are part of what has contributed to the urban sprawl we see around us. If you live in a nice area with a view, can I come around and live at your place?
DAn your welcome crash at mine anytime.
I think their response is a tad extreme, if its inserted in the constitution the family overtones are bound to imply that yes a family is more important and also the nature of housing. is it a minimum standard or an all the same?
Time would be better spent getting developers to fulfil the 20% but its too late as the big guns (from what is being gossiped) are winding down and departing to bulgaria. Wonderful.
Also in what way do the needs trump the property? What needs? does that sanction land reform? Of what sort? What about farmers should big farmers be worried?
Sorry its more questions than answers but the press release leaves me no other option.
Unclear, wooly and unworkable.
There are two issues,
1) building a consensus that houses need to be provided and public/affordable housing prioritised.
2) Making sure that it gets done.
the above isnt a policy document i know but it doesnt shed much light on either.
Molly, both FG and Labour and Greens have extensively written on this. th options are out there.
A simple and given I’ve pushed it myself a perhaps simplistic solution is that we work on zoning horizons that are longer than the current 5 years development plans that most local authorities work with, beef up the planning departments, and a use it or lose it tax charge on all land zoned for residential development payable in cash at the end of each year. Say 3 or 5% of the next estimated value.
We could even be nasty and say that the owner must estimate/file the valuation themselves and if they under value it that the local authority has the right to pay it at that price+5%. We do not have a market in land around our urban settlements so suggestions the market will solve all the problems is nonsense. Fact is through zoning the state has already intervened, we need to correct that intervention.
simple enough to do the job and no simpler (with apologies to einstein).
Unsurprisingly i have no issue with intervention in the market. Land is finite and its market is one which tends to oligopoly particularly in a time of massive development.
Will sufficient trust be there to decentralise such a project?
Is the housing the responsibility of local or central govt?
Well, housing could be self funding. I’m not at all sure that many of the people currently in local authority couldn’t have afforded to have bought their homes or pay something closer to a full rental value and the money could be channelled back into more housing provision. It seems kind of odd that some people in a job are paying €400+ for room in a house in Dublin while others in the same job might be paying that for a house.
simon
as far as i know those who are elected to the dail must then register their assets shares etc
i would much prefer a view of the said assets on the literature spewing around during the election
but the dail isnt into change is it ?
did you know that it took one mans lobbying over 20 years to get those tossers in the dail to agree to their photograps on the ballot paper - you can see why of course - “what did she or he ever do ?” “or oh my god theres that nutter lets leave him out this time ……
and the whole point of this was that those with literacy problems might be more inclined to vote … they were having none of it ….
i used to be under the illusion that local authority rents were miniscule but say a widow who has adult working children living with her the income of the household is taken into account and the rent can be considerable
a councillor might give a real example of this
the timber- framed house built by the irish company kingspan chosen as a winner for affordable housing by the labour government should be given a chance here
it has the advantage of being environmentally sound, relativally low cost and the delivery is fast
fine gael in the last election were offering some kind of saving scheme for first time buyers but as prices are going up by the day whats needed is an advantage for first time buyers that auctioneers dont know anything about - like a special tax advantage
the shinners use the old marxist lingo but when you translate it into dublinese you find a lot of people speak it…….theyre not all bad !!!
simon
Declaration on Interests for 2004. Check out Jackie Healy Rae’s answer. Tis funny I think.
as far as i know those who are elected to the dail must then register their assets shares etc
i would much prefer a view of the said assets on the literature spewing around during the election
but the dail isnt into change is it ?
That is what we are here and the net is for.
http://www.oireachtas.ie/viewdoc.asp?DocID=3831&CatID=20
oh my god theres that nutter lets leave him out this time ……
But counter to that there would also be. Gosh she is hot I will vote for her.
as far as i know those who are elected to the dail must then register their assets shares etc
i would much prefer a view of the said assets on the literature spewing around during the election
but the dail isnt into change is it ?
Mollie im not sure how you mean? The figures are readily available-as simon presented-and our ethics codes are by and large up there with the international norm (admittedly with about a 50 year delay) with the odd exception. Interests and donations are fairly well regulated.
Do you mean printing it as a pamphlet for election time?
mollie, if a widow has grown up working children with her and they ain’t contributing to her rent then she should tell them to sling their hooks and get their laundry done elsewhere.
Dan
what i am referring to is if the local authority own the flat or house they set the rent against the total income of that household -that is fair isn it- thats what happens
id say a lot of people who dont know anyone in that situation wouldnt necessarily know that and would believe that they are there for a few euos
i heard a young woman explain that she was paying about 100 euros in rent like this to a council but didnt think she would ever be able to get a deposit together for her own unit she just couldnt catch up….
of course in dublin city- the city council are now preparing to flog all the remaining property of theirs, not just houses as they have been doing for years, but now the apartments or flats as we used to call them
dublin city council of course dont know much about housing do they ?
they are tearing down all their mistakes north and south city
theres eating and drinking on this for a thesis on wasting public money
-the planners sins
over and over again they have produced housing for rent to dublin families
- a few decades later they are demolishing it again- the design is all wrong
they live in decent houses themselves, they have families, but yet they make damned expensive mistakes
in the last few weeks i see a proposal for around coolock and the apartments for the most part are own -door units in other words there are no shared stairwells or landings
clever
of course theres not much of that in the private sector and thats whats causing difficulties in that sector as chronic alcaholics and others give serious grief to those they live nearest. i know several older women who are victims of a younger woman with such a problem
it has a nightmare quality about it when youre bang up against it
property pages dont write about the serious problems going on in these places
theres no money in it …