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The Eu Barometer results are up.
Edit: They seem to have taken it down. Copy here fl_245_en
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Graphs below fold.
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just found this site, no idea if I am late to the party on this one. check it out - bit of fun
Here’s the Dept of Finance statement issued late last evening about the Minister’s discussion with the banks. I think we know why some banks didn’t want to be in the guarantee scheme: those in the scheme can be made an offer they can’t refuse: to merge.
Mary Harney’s expensive trip to Houston and Phoenix.
The FAS/Florida row is not the only time the issue of her travel costs has arisen.
techPresident – The Future of Campaign Technology: The Ground Game
Irish Parties looking at learning online and database lessons from Obama could do worse than bear this post in mind. Almost as soon as the election is over, improvements and evolution are making some parts redundant and others essential. Get your campaign an i-phone for everyone? Might be better than printing flyers, it goes to show how parties, if they take it seriously, need to keep ahead of the wave - not just follow.
Colman at the EuroTrib give his reasoning on why Lisbon is dead. The Government's incapable handling of the budget cuts are the nail in the coffin.
A lot of people are reluctant to admit to concerns about immigration.
No mention of conerns about workers rights in the list of “no” reasons. Interesting considering this was a large part of the campaign, especially from the People’s Movement. Would be interesting to find out what the 14 percent “other” response is made up of.
FutureTaoiseach:
A lot of people are reluctant to admit to concerns about immigration.
Perhaps.
Or perhaps hysterical obsessives like yourself are not as broadly representative as you think you are.
Paddy that would be my thoughts as well. Although I think futures point has possibly some merit. Although not enough to get immegration torwards the top of the list.
Paddy Matthews, I am not hysterical. But another aspect of the poll people should know about, is that Eurobarometer is funded by the European Commission, and that there is a difference between “to avoid an influx of immigrants” on the one hand and ‘because of existing levels of immigration’ on the other.
FT,
It is true that some people are reluctant to make negative statements about foreigners. But I doubt if many people would be afraid to raise immigration as a concern because that in itself doesn’t mean that you are xenophobic as such. You can imagine that people might for example be concerned that immigrants have displaced Irish workers or that they result in a downward pressure on wages.
In fact, I am rather heartened by the way immigration didn’t really feature in the debate and that the survey shows it as a very miinimal factor.
I was canvassing for a No Vote and encountered hundreds if not thousands of people. One 2 people said that immigration was an issue so the above results do not surprise me. Loss of control over our lives and the complete democracy deficit was the primary issue.
“Loss of control over our lives and the complete democracy deficit was the primary issue.”
Which basically falls under number 1 reason for voting NO - “Because I do not know enough about the Treaty”.
What a bunch of misguided eejits.
While I certainly have time for the argument that those who didn’t know anything about the treaty should have abstained, I think it’s important to understand why the campaign failed to make them understand what the treaty was about.
This is not just a failing of the Yes camp, but of the No as well. The trouble is that confusion and lack of information suits the No campaign - that’s precisely what the poll shows - so they are unlikely to want to educate people on what the treaty is about. In that sense, the Yes side has to shoulder the weight of trying to tell people what the Treaty is about (not getting in to what the implications the Treaty will have, which is different).
I therefore largely blame the huge ignorance about the Treaty on the government and the main opposition parties. They failed to get their message across. Here’s why:
- They were inept
- They started too late
- Ugly and distracting change of Taoiseach
- They waited too long to fend off opportunistic blackmail by certain sectors
- They often looked half hearted and unknowledgeably about how Europe works
- Did I say they were inept
By the way, I’m not suggesting that if they had gotten their message across they were guaranteed to win. Just that they didn’t get it across and why I think so.
With many people saying that the Lisbon treaty was designed from the constitution but harder to understand would the constituation (guessing it is easier to read) have passed. Of course we never got to know because when the french said no it all stopped.
What really shows immigration was an issue is the class-divide on how the nation voted. The middle classes are not at the cold face of job displacement in the way the working classes are.
future these numbers tell you nothing about that.
Future Taoiseach,
That is an incredible inference to draw from these results. Absolutely no basis for it whatever. Besides, the biggest threat to jobs is the Irish and international slowdown. The biggest threat of displacement is that firms move elsewhere, not immigrants.
Having said that, it is certain that a small portion of people feel that immigration has caused job availablility and wages to go down. But the survey shows this as a very remote concern.
Paddy Matthews, I am not hysterical.
Vichy?
Act of Union?
1916?
Mugabe’s Zimbabwe?
All in your post on the “I’m pro-Europe but… ” thread yesterday. If only you’d remembered to throw in Stalin and Quisling, you’d have had the full house.
And I’ve seen enough of your 18,000-odd postings on politics.ie over the last couple of years to have come to the conclusion that you’re an obsessive on the subject of immigration. Not forgetting your postings as “Brian Boru” on Slugger O’Toole complaining that Polish immigration would frustrate the votes of people in the Republic for a United Ireland.
“Hysterical obsessive” is quite a mild description of you as far as I’m concerned.
One of the very interesting factors was the volume of people “still in education” who voted no - 69% now im not sure how many students voted as a % of total turnout bloody lack of exit poll but that is a huge proportion of students (far more than the number of ‘lefty students’) who decided to vote no.
An economic kick in the pants from those worried about a job when they leave? Or representative of a wider divide in the age-vote relation? Richard Delevan suggested as much on his blog.
Besides, the biggest threat to jobs is the Irish and international slowdown. The biggest threat of displacement is that firms move elsewhere, not immigrants.
I think that is a very fair point, bar construction where the picture is more mixed.
Paddy Matthews we’ll have to agree to disagree. As I have said about the poll, the 14% saying “other reasons” is very interesting. You need to get away from the PC notion that calling for tighter controls is “racist”. It isn’t of itself.