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Greens on Fluroide again
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John Gormley is back on his Fluroide kick again.
Speaking at a press conference in Dublin, Deputy Gormley said: “The latest advice from the American Dental Association tells parents to avoid using fluoridated water when bottle feeding babies because of the dangers of fluorosis – the staining and pitting of teeth which can result from overexposure to fluoride. This advice should be heeded. The balance of international evidence proves that water fluoridation should be stopped immediately.
The advice is not to give fluoridated water to infants. What the American Dental Association actually say about Water Supplies is this.
For over five decades, the American Dental Association has continuously endorsed the fluoridation of community water supplies and the use of fluoride-containing products as safe and effective measures for preventing tooth decay.
So if there advice must be heeded why is John Gormley not heeding it?
Fianna Failure and their treatment of science is based on bullshit.
Bullshit about flourine.
Bullshit about dairy.
Bullshit about meat products.
We accept this bullshit because we have been numbed by a Catholic education to bullshit. We were taught bullshit from an early age and now take any old bullshit that comes our way. Accepted logic doesn’t mean it is correct.
King of the bullshitters DeValera hadn’t the balls to write his own constitution and was only there to preside over it because he hid from the British. The true revolutionaries were murdered by the British. The 1937 constitution was written by John Charles McQuaid and the Vatican.
Instead of the people that could have made a difference we got the B team of John Charles McQuaid and DeValera writing a Catholic/Fascist constitution and using fear, bullshit and lies to rule the people. Bullshit like the fluorine myth. Just like the lead myth was bullshit in petrol.
Flouride and the bullshit quackery that inspired it has been added to water for no logical reason by ministerial order since 1961.
We need to grow up and get rid of this bullshit. Removing flourine would be a welcome break from Fianna Failures fascist past.
It is bullshit that we need flourine. I want my teeth back. I want to live my life without forced medication. I demand my human rights to control what goes in my body. It is a fundamental right and if this right is not restored we live in a fascist state.
bullshit quackery
So the World Health Organisation and the 100 odd dental international organisations that support it are bullshit quackeryers?
I demand my human rights to control what goes in my body.
You do have a right to control what goes into your body. No one is forcing you to drink tap water. You can if you want drink bottled water if you wish.
It’s just fluroide, Simon. Let it go, man, let it go.
Weasel words.
I pay for tap water with my taxes. I do not want to be medicated.
Just because the WHO and the dentists are in agreement does not make them right. Was Hitler right to use flouridated water to keep the Jews quiet? Nobody laments the loss of leaded paint or leaded petrol apart from lead sellers. Flouridated water is a sick joke and an easy way of getting rid of waste.
Local authorities gives them zero right to medicate me against my will. They can do whatever they want but if it interferes with my health they have no rights.
What are you saying? I have to get bottled water to brush my teeth, to take a shower, to wash my food. What kind of crack are you smoking. My right to clean water is gone. My right to non medication is gone too? What kind of sheep says that this is OK?
Ben. Just flouride. Just heroin. Oh, were you using those teeth? Sorry we don’t think you should be allowed keep them.
Go ahead call me a nut. Stifle the debate.
Billy, fluroide is not heroin. That’s just plain silly.
Billy, perhaps you’re right you’ve evidently been affected by something.
Simon, I think this issue is an interesting example of 2 problems for the Greens.
1) the contention between the liberal wing of the Greens that believes in convincing people of the right thing to do whether to tackle climate change or the sustaining of the environment and the regulatory wing of the party that believes in using the law as the primary tool of change has very much tilted to the regulatory wing.
2) the failure of faith in that people have the cop-on to know not to be drinking gallons of fluoridated water and food treatment with fluoride and so on. Just when they make real progress of convincing people they have some real talent and focus and then they go off on one on something like this.
“the regulatory wing of the party that believes in using the law as the primary tool of change has very much tilted to the regulatory wing.”
Are you saying that the proposal to end fluoridation comes from this “regulatory wing”? That doesn’t really make sense - they’re trying to end a system whereby fluoride to be added to our drinking water because of Government regulation.
“the failure of faith in that people have the cop-on to know not to be drinking gallons of fluoridated water and food treatment with fluoride and so on.”
Again, the actual point is something like the opposite of what you’re suggesting. The Greens are saying that people have the cop-on to know to look after their teeth and don’t need to be mass medicated.
“Go ahead call me a nut. Stifle the debate.”
Ben, I think Billy was chiming in on your side of the debate.
I Know! and he still critised me! He though I was calling him a nut, when really I was trying to get a light-hearted rise out of Simon. That’s it. I’m handing in my sense of humour and I’m off to join the SWP. anyone want a leaflet?
Ya I saw the rise and was some tempted to jump at it. But resisted. You everytime I am thinking of voting green. John Gormley opens his mouth. We should start a campaign. More Eammon Ryan less john Gormley.
The Greens are saying that people have the cop-on to know to look after their teeth and don’t need to be mass medicated.
If that was the case then they would believe people have enough cop on to use public transport instead of driving cars. People are by in large idiots. Be proud and be the openly honest party to admit it.
The parameters of the constitutional rights became less clear following decisions of the Irish Supreme Court that provided constitutional protection of individual personal rights that were not explicitly granted in the constitution. This trend began in 1963 with Ryan v. Attorney General Mrs. Ryan sought to have the Health (Floridation of Water Supplies) Act struck down as uncontitutional.The supreme court affirmed the high court’s decision that, based on the facts, Mrs. Ryan’s suit could not succeed. However, the court confirmed that the right to bodily integrity was included as part of the general constitutionally guaranteed personal rights.Quoting Justice Kenny of the high court, the supreme court held that “the personal rights which may be invoked to invalidate legislation are not confined to those specified in Article 40 but include all those rights that flow from the Christian and democratic nature
of the State.”
They’re stealing our bodily essence!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXWpHru08kY
Flouridated water is a drug. So is heroin. Putting heroin in the water is silly and so is flouridating it. Even giving it a name legitimises it. Flourine and Lithium are psychoactive drugs and Flourine was used to medicate, to calm and to make docile by the Nazis. Fascist. Right Wing. Controlling. Just like the organisation that Hitler modelled the SS on the Catholic Church. Well specifically the Jesuits but that is splitting hairs.
I was briefly a card carrying member of the greens until I wised up. They are CND and a bunch of cyclists wrapped up in an organic bun. If they were serious about the environment they would oppose the beef and dairy industries at every turn for using and wasting most of our water and causing the largest amount of CO2 emmisions. Instead they jump on the motorist who has no choice but to drive to work. But I do support them in getting this waste out of the water supply. It is dangerous and unnecessicary and based on faulty logic.
Water is too important to let some half assed council worker dump toxic waste pretending to be medicine in unmetered quantities into our bodies. Its not science, its complete and unadulterated bullshit and nonsense that we let it carry on.
If there is no water there is no life. It is the single most important thing in our lives and we let the government away with medicating it. They can’t even manage to get the actual shite out of it so why do we let them put other shite into it.
Let them build a 45 story interprative centre in the Burren with the money instead. It would be more useful than flouridation. They have no right to medicate me, you or anybody else against their will. Pretending it is for our own good is patronising big brother nonsense and belongs to a bygone era that unfortunately we still live in.
I would also contend that we do not live in a democratic state if indeed we ever did. Government is remote and inaccessible. Public questions are not answered by TDs. We were a colony that gained independence from Britain that was quickly overthrown by a Catholic theocracy that we only recently have started to remove. The extent of the control the church exercised over the government and people is akin to Kim Jong Il and Kim Il Sung in Korea. This is the context in which the 1961 order to flouridate was inserted.
We need rid of it and we need to grow up as a nation. Civil war politics, theocratic laws and flouridation belong in the past not in our teeth.
“If they were serious about the environment they would oppose the beef and dairy industries at every turn for using and wasting most of our water and causing the largest amount of CO2 emmisions. Instead they jump on the motorist who has no choice but to drive to work.”
Actually I’m pretty sure it’s the construction industry which causes the largest amount of CO2 emissions. As for “the motorist” - there are a great many individuals motorists who have no choice but to drive to work, and Green policies are designed to ensure that more motorists do have the choice, through the provision of more public transport, better land use planning and regional development. Of course, there are already many thousands of motorists who have every choice but continue to drive to work. So “the motorist” is not a homogenous entity.
I think I will take a break for the weekend from this fluoride debate – I have been spending too much time on it.
Plans for the weekend. Wake up Saturday from my fluoride washed & impregnated sheets, have a fluoride shower, brush my teeth with fluoridated water (but un-fluoridated toothpaste), shave with fluoride water, put on fluoride impregnated clothes, have some diary products supplied by fluoridated water-fed cows, drink my reconstituted (with 12ppm fluoridated water) fruit juice, boil some bottled water to make my naturally highly fluoridated tea (6-12ppm), before heading off for a few pints with the lads of fluoridated (6ppm) Guinness. For lunch, I think I will fry up a nice fluoride-fed steak on my fluoride/Teflon pan which will go nicely with boiled (in fluoridated water) spuds (which , of course, I will avoid boiling in an aluminium pan, as that multiplies the fluoride and chemically bond aluminium by a factor of at least 60). Some nice processed fluoridated peas should round that off. Then maybe, who knows, as it’s the week that’s in it, maybe a few more fluoridated Guinnesses ( 6ppm x ?). If I am still able to walk home to crawl into my fluoridated sheets again, I will have roughly the same thing to look forward to again on Sunday. Ah, but it will be good to get away from fluoride for a while anyway!